In the early days of the Internet, there was this website with a list of payphone numbers from all over the United States. In my state, there were only three entries, and my home phone number was one of them. It was listed as being outside a publicly traded chain restaurant.
On occasion, radio stations would do bits where they would call a random payphone from the website. My house was called 3 times for the same bit by different radio stations. Within a month apart, I spoke to two different stations from New Zealand. MoreFM was one of them, but I don't remember the other. I do remember that that were very disappointed when I told them I had just spoken to MoreFM a month prior. Also MoreFM was the only station that didn't end the bit when I explained it was not a pay phone
In the 1980's IBM had some marketing promotion in the US and distributed brochures and posters at different computer seller chains. The prominently displayed phone number had a typo and it was instead my parents' land line.
Surprisingly, they didn't get that many calls, and IBM corrected the number in the next round of marketing. So they never had to change their number.
> Curious what the purpose of calling a pay phone is? (wasn't possible in my country)
If you want to let somebody know you can't talk right now but you will call them back in 10 minutes, this makes it possible without having them use another quarter (coin currency in US) to call you back in 10 minutes, or requiring them to feed quarters in while you wait on hold for 10 minutes.
Also plenty of other reasons that we've all seen in spy movies :)
Also in Neuromancer when Wintermute wants to talk to Case and is ringing all the pay phones. I’ve read that book a dozen times and never thought twice about it. It was recently pointed out to me how incongruous it is to be in the future with AI and cyberspace and orbital colonies but there are still pay phones.
I think at the time of writing payphones where still so common that it was hard to imagine a world without them. The payphones are also quite fundamental to hacking culture due to the roots in "phone phreaking" which is used in the story. So perhaps it was included due to association with those elements as it will give the reader some context of at that time the current day in this futuristic world and ground them in the fictional universe.
It was written in the early 80s on a mechanical typewriter, and released only a very few months after the first Apple Macintosh. Modems were insanely expensive back then and not many people had them.
So much of the things in the book that we think of as familiar didn't even really exist when Johnny Mnemonic was written in 1981, again on a mechanical typewriter.
This is actually something I was thinking about lately: How science fiction (and future-predictors) mostly only extrapolates from our current ways of doing things.
Like those Victorian era drawings of people in posh dresses walking across lakes by having hot-air balloons tied to their bodies..
Even sci-fi games involving space ships and aliens have people using floppy disks, printouts, and faxes.. in years long after those things went out of common use.
Before the iPhone very little sci-fi predicted something like smartphones being so prevalent throughout global society. Today even some of the poorest people in the poorest countries have some form of personal mobile phone.
And even now, the best we can imagine is that people will still be using phones and laptops in 2060.
E.E. "Doc" Smith's Lensmen series, a sweeping, galaxy-scale space opera (arguably the type-example of the genre), first published in 1937 had some memorable examples of this - punch card computers and one diesel-powered space ship. But along with such anachronisms (and more SF tropes than I can readily list), Smith also described video calls, stealth vehicles, and may have invented the Combat Information Center.
There are tons of examples of course, but one that jumps to mind is Oath of Fealty by Jerry Pournelle where one of the plot points is an implant that gives the chosen few access to an encyclopedic database. Of course, today, a smartphone with cell access provides that (or at least a more chaotic version of same) to more or less everyone. You could also reasonably argue that the encyclopedia in Asimov's Foundation trilogy makes somewhat similar assumptions.
I do think some sort of AR interface is somewhere in the future but it's almost certainly a long way off for mainstream adoption.
Forgot Larry Niven was a co-author of that one. They tended to be a good pair on novel-length works. Niven's novels tended to end up as travelogues and Pournelle's ended up as military SF.
Conversely though, there is plenty of older sci-fi that assumes by the 2000s we'd all be zooming around in flying cars rather than in cars that are basically the same sort of thing they had in the fifties.
Sci-fi books are full of reverse anachronisms like that. Worlds with space travel, but no computers.
Asimov has some good stories where people no longer know how to read and write and multiply because everything is done on computers and all interactions with computers and are done by voice.
Also so The Machine can give you the encoded social security number of someone who is either going to commit a crime or become the victim of one so pre-conspiracy Jim Caviezel can come and save your life or blow your kneecaps out.
Definitely one of the downsides of aging is the shock of realizing that movies that you vaguely remember as being fairly new are now old. (I was expecting a movie from the '40s, not 2003.)
Somewhat different thing but it was also very common in college to make a person to person call through an operator and the person (typically parents) on the other end would refuse the call and call you back because it could be much cheaper for them.
There was once an application, long gone and probably short lived, that let you ring payphones for free over the internet. Me and my mates had a great time phoning up times square, a pub in Australia and other places chatting to randoms.
I'm not sure how it came to be. My guess is typo. The restaurant in question was down the street from me and it did have a payphone outside of it. I can't recall if I ever went to check the phone number of the payphone.
They actually just demolished the building that formally housed the restaurant (a Friendly's if anyone is familiar). The building sat empty for years.
As a kid on school trips I would call my parents with one token (in my country that's what was used) and asked them to call me back. Sometimes at the end of the call your friend might ask your parents to call their parents and asked them to call the pay phone, and so on.
> Curious what the purpose of calling a pay phone is? (wasn't possible in my country)
Mostly for the humor value for an on-air radio show. I’m sure were pre-arranged just to make sure they got something usable, but I can see the occasion where a random person walking by and hearing the pay phone RINGING would cause them to pause. As a teenager I would have picked it up in a heartbeat (even not having heard the radio shows).
As for other “purposes” I’ve seen some crime/drama shows where the bad guy tells someone to go to the corner pay phone and answer it when it rings at a specific time. Horrible idea now as the phone systems would easily record the number that called it, but up until the early 2000’s it would be one option. Today I would guess dropping a burner phone in an envelope for the “victim” would be a more likely movie trope…
(Source: I’m from the US and remember a few radio stations doing this in the 1980’s and 1990’s.)
> Horrible idea now as the phone systems would easily record the number that called it
I think the idea was that you'd be calling from another pay phone, probably a different one each time so the number didn't matter.
You could do the same with pagers. Your drug dealer would own a pager, you'd call the pager from a random pay phone and send that pay phone's number as a message. The dealer would then use a different pay phone to call you back.
Unlike cellphones, pagers were often one-way, receive-only devices, so you couldn't use them to track somebody's location.
I did win a Lord of the Rings prize pack from MoreFM, but it never arrived at my house. Either it got lost in transit or they just never shipped it.
The call with them was right around the time of the theatrical release of the first film, and the people on t radio show were excited because the movie was filmed in New Zealand. To win the prize I had to name two people from New Zealand. I couldn't think of anyone, and earlier in the call I had already looked up the stations website, so they told me to go to the staff page and name two people.
This was back in the days of dial up Internet, but we were one of the first houses to get DSL. I remember one of the people at the radio station was amazed that I could be online and on the phone at the same time.
There’s a fun scene in The Last Action Hero which plays on this convention: A kid who’s gotten transported into a movie and is trying to convince Arnold Scharzenegger’s character that they’re in a movie by asking a bunch of people what their phone number is and pointing out that all the numbers begin with 555.
Yeah, it would be nice if the reserved numbers were random so that they didn't stand out. Sure, some nerds will still memorize the list but even with 20 numbers it would be basically indistinguishable to the average person compared to the xxx-555-xxxx for NANP.
I think the goal with 555 numbers is people know not to call it.
But it would be possible to register a number and put a promotion or easter egg on it. These days with virtual phone numbers it would be pretty cheap. The main problem is it lasting when rest of promotion disappears.
Technically it's the country code for the North American Numbering Plan, which is used by several other countries as well as the US.
But in this context it'd be the first digit of the area code, with no country code being used because the call is within the US. There are no area codes in the the North American Numbering Plan that start with a 1.
"The syntax rules for area codes do not permit the digits 0 and 1 in the leading position."
My guess would be it's to avoid ambiguity with the fact that 1 is also the country code. If I recall correctly, historically, dialing the 1 was necessary for any long distance call (even if not international).
It used to be the case that the middle digit of an area code had to be a 0 or a 1. All the O.G. "cool" area codes like 212 are in this format, and the less desirable new area codes like 646 are not (yes, this is an accidental Seinfeld reference).
>If I recall correctly, historically, dialing the 1 was necessary for any long distance call (even if not international).
You recall correctly. I haven't had a landline for a number of years now but I think it was still required latterly when I still had one. Don't think it was ever needed on cell (or maybe even valid) when I first got one at some point in the 1990s.
I think that’s at least in part because some 555 prefix numbers have been assigned for non-directory information uses (I have a vague notion of seeing this for some toll-free numbers).
Accordingly for a movie that showed aspects of phone phreaking techniques and culture, Hackers (1995) mentions at least three 555 numbers:
212-555-4240: The number of the modem at OTV that Dade social-engineers out of the security flunkie, allowing him to dial into the cable channel's systems
555-4817: Lisa Blair's phone number, which Lord Nikon recalls out of his photographic memory at the party.
555-4202: Kate's number, which Phreak connects to by rapidly pressing the prison phone's switchhook ten times (effectively pulse-dialing 0) and then asking the operator for help dialing
Given how stylized the movie is as a whole, the prominence of several obviously-fake phone numbers is the least of the things that break realism.
This used to be the BBC number for call ins, particularly the kids TV show 'Swap Shop', but also for so much else during the 1970s and 1980s.
This number was retired in 1990 when the London ran out of phone numbers and switched to two different prefixes, 071 and 081. The former was advertised on TV as 'Inner London' and the latter as 'Greater London'. This bit of marketing kept everyone happy.
There was still a problem with numbers and the need to go for eleven digits. Hence, in 1995, the codes for London changed again, to 0171 and 0181. This was PHONEDAY.
But still, more numbers were needed, plus the tech behind the scenes was ever-evolving. Hence, in 2000, the numbers changed again for London, for everything to start with 020, so 0171 became 0207 and 0181 became 0208.
But then everyone got mobile phones and we no longer heard about how the economy was growing so quickly that we had this apparent incessant need for even more phone numbers. Furthermore, mobile phones had contacts built into them, so there was no need to remember phone numbers, which was just as well as eleven digits were not so easy to memorise, particularly when the prefixes had changed around so much.
Hence, my personal choice of fictional number. Apart from anything else, it enables me to see how well forms are validated, plus 01 811 8055 is only going to ever be recognised as a 'famous' number by Brits over a certain age.
To be pedantic, both 0171 and 0181 became 020, but with the 7 or the 8 moved to the front of the number, so 0171 222 1234 [1] became 020 7222 1234, with 7222 1234 being dialable in London without the area code.
There are also now London numbers that start with a 3 or a 4 as well as 7 and 8 so it's important to properly describe the dialling code for London as 020.
Many classic tv shows have episodes and themes which are bad today. Star Trek has a lot of 60s attitudes — Mudds Women for example.
I choose to see them as signs at how far society has progressed. Or regressed in the case of trans.
In the 90s the U.K. TV soap “corronation street” - watched by about 30% if the population each week - had a trans character. The character had very little controversy.ant the same time everyone loved Dane Edna. And Mrs Merton.
But today those shows would be far more controversial.
On the flip side, Brookside had a pre watershed lesbian kiss and it was major amounts of outrage.
Their activist movement has lost ground in public opinion as more people learn about how regressive and authoritarian its aims are. Unfortunately it's no longer about tolerating and accepting differences, as with the gay rights movement, which was highly successful on this basis. Instead the primary objective of trans activism seems to be forbidding women from drawing a boundary between themselves and any man who claims to be a woman.
That’s a artificially constructed load of bigoted misinformation.
Framing trans advocacy as "authoritarian" is a rhetorical inversion -- the actual authoritarianism is coming from those trying to legislate trans people out of public life. The "boundaries" you describe aren’t feminist; they're exclusionary by definition, since they redefine womanhood in purely biological terms and erase trans women entirely.
Trans rights aren’t a new ideology -- they’re a continuation of the same principle that guided the gay rights movement since the 1969 Stonewall uprising, led in part by trans women like Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera: the freedom to live authentically without persecution. Trying to divide those struggles is a well-worn tactic used against every marginalized group in history.
>His dating site shenanigans were very amusing though. Clearly his flair for comedy hasn't suffered, though he could do with dialing back the obsession on this specific topic, for his own good more than anything.
If your idea of "amusing" comedy is a grown man catfishing queer people on a dating site just to publicly mock them, that’s not humor -- that’s bullying dressed up as banter. The difference between good satire and cruelty is simple: good satire punches up, exposing hypocrisy or power; cruelty punches down, targeting people who already face stigma.
Linehan’s "flair for comedy" has curdled into sadism, and that is why his wife divorced him and won't let him contact his own kids: the only audience left laughing are those sickos who enjoy watching others humiliated, like you admit to, concerned more for "his own good" and freedom from self-inflicted and well-deserved consequences, than the suffering of the innocent marginalized people he's bullying. That’s not wit, it’s moral decay.
A few years ago, I read an interview with Simon Fanshawe, one of the founders of the UK charity Stonewall. It was very insightful for a number of reasons, but what was most interesting were his thoughts on why the gay rights movement had succeeded, yet trans activism was beginning to fail.
He made the very astute point that Stonewall's strategy was to take specific issues concerning lesbian women and gay men, and from these, derive broader principles which the general public could easily support. It was all about invoking a sense of fairness, and this is how they gradually built up support for equal rights.
He compared this to trans activism, and observed that these activists weren't following the same strategy. Instead, they were just telling people they're wrong, intimidating them into silence, and calling them bigots and scum and transphobic. He predicted that this approach was going to backfire. It seems he was right.
The other point he made was how trans activism more negatively affects women and especially lesbian women, many of whom had contacted him in distress at what they saw, increasingly so, as lesbian erasure. He talked about the death threats and violence towards lesbians that came from the trans activist side. He talked about how lesbian protesters had recently been kicked out of a Pride march for asserting their same-sex sexual orientation.
If we look at the points Graham Linehan has been making, they are very similar. His satirical profile on what was purportedly a lesbian dating site was a comedy bit with a serious point: that his ridiculous and overtly male presence on there was indistinguishable from the many other males on that app who called themselves lesbians. He was using comedy to draw attention to the erasure of a much more marginalized group, lesbian women.
That brought back memories. To think there was a time when directory enquiries was free and you spoke to a real human, armed with a telephone book. Sometimes you could be on hold for a while, however, you could also be vague with your enquiry, for the operator to check spelling variants for you.
Everyone used to be in the phone book, to get anyone's number was just a matter of detective work, particularly if there were lots of 'J Smith' entries and you only had a vague idea where they lived.
We didn't have scam callers but 'wrong number' was quite common. People also used to phone their friends more often, since text messaging, email and apps were not available options.
Growing up my home phone number was 4 digits for a local call, or at least so I was required to memorise it as a small child.
In the very late 90s I briefly had a rotary dial phone - very anachronistic even then - and discovered that dialling an eleven digit number that way is a huge ballache - it's so sloooow! Especially if the number has a bunch of 9s in it.
A little after that I was in the US but kept using my British mobile for a month or two as my contact - giving my number to people was even worse ... rattling off a 15 digit (international prefix plus country code) always confused people.
I too remember the Swap Shop number with some fondness. I certainly called it at least once or twice.
Last note - I realised recently that I still know the X29 address for nsfnet relay from Janet to the Internet (basically a Janet-to-telnet relay). That's a 14 digit number that I last used over 30 years ago. My memory's pretty average, but man, once stuff goes in it does not come out again!
I can still remember four digit numbers for some of my school friends.
At the time there were two digit codes for neighbouring exchanges, however, these were not universal. For example, my parents phone was on exchange 'P' and the code to call my friends in town 'S' was 81. However, if I went to town 'G', the code for town 'S' was something completely different.
The new and longer prefixes were introduced in parallel to the convenient two digit short codes. I can't quite remember all of the lingo for what the new prefixes and systems were called, however, for the rotary dial phone, you did not have to dial all ten digits (or latterly eleven), as you obviously memorised the 2 + 4 numbers for all of your friends, and only needed to spend a brief amount of time waiting for that dial to tap out its special codes.
The 'Swap Shop number' was also used for early Crimewatch programmes and so much else. Jim'll Fix It was write-in only from what I remember, and I have a sister that wrote in to meet Kermit. She dodged a bullet there!
I didn't get to know X29 or nsfnet as well as you, at the time networking skills were tantamount to witchcraft voodoo. However, I remember JANET addresses being back to front. For example, I was at Plymouth where it was something like uk.ac.plymouth. We also had lots of different non-TCP/IP network standards going on with considerable skill needed to get files between SGI/Sun workstations, IBM workstations, IBM mini-computers, VAX VMS and those new-fangled PCs.
Kermit was the tool used for moving files around, and I am now wondering what happened to Kermit. Kermit has dropped out of the history books somewhat.
I guess FTP was the extinction event for Kermit ... and didn't Kermit itself kill off the various [XYZ]Modem protocols?
I too recall the reversed addresses. The transition from X29 to Internet fell in the middle of my university¹ education... we went from mostly Vax/VMS+JANET when I started to mostly Linux+Internet when I left (and the web had suddenly appeared too). There was an awkward bit in the middle where I was super keen to be on the internet (though my main interest was Usenet) and the nsfnet relay via PAD on the Vax was the only available intermediary. It's mildly interesting that the sole system I could connect to in this way to browse Usenet was Nyx which rather amazingly is still up. I assume they deleted my account at some point in the last 30 years though. It was unbearably slow anyway, so I gave up quite swiftly.
Fun times dimly remembered.
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¹Actually a Poly, uk.ac.pow when I arrived, but a Uni, glam.ac.uk when I left. It's changed name once or twice since then as well!
In the US, there was a period when phone numbers were getting scarce in some locales as faxes/modems/etc. were coming in. Additional area codes were added, as was lampooned in a Seinfeld episode at one point; some people got rather hot and bothered when they got migrated from the "main" metro area code to essentially a suburban area code.
I was once on a bus and I could hear some teenagers talking. One asked a girl for her phone number and she told him a number starting with 07709, the UK's "555". I only knew that because a Doctor Who episode had recently used the same prefix.
If youre watching an Australian show and see a mobile phone ring and it shows the callers number, ring it. You'll likely annoy someone who works on the show.
Why Australian shows? Do they happen to show real numbers more often, or get annoyed more often, or do you have some odd specific reason to want Australians who work on TV shows annoyed?
(edit: I see now the domain is .gov.au specifically)
If you shop at Safeway (Albertsons?) and need a member's discount, but don't have a membership/number, 510-867-5309 works. Staff members have specifically mentioned it.
Something burned into my brain is "call 836-7000 or visit transitchicago.com" which was an announcement that played seemingly every 30 seconds on CTA buses back when I lived there. I was in California once and tried 312-836-7000 as the loyalty card phone number at Safeway and it worked. So I guess I'm not the only one. (847- 773- etc. would probably also work. That's why I thought the message was so cool... they got the number in every Chicagoland area code!)
I have shared this story on Reddit before and I got banned from r/AskReddit for "doxing". That phone number is super secret and must not be publicized! Whoops!
There was a fairly large local grocery chain who just required the last 4 digits of the phone number to get a discount. I’m not sure who thought that was a good idea, but they’ve since gone out of business (I’m reasonably certain there’s no direct correlation between those facts).
One time I used 867-5309 at a chain store, the young male checkout clerk had an instant of a look of recognition, and promptly sang the number, really well.
(xxx)555-1212 works surprisingly often. I've used it more than a few times while traveling.
About ten years ago or so, Kroger finally integrated the loyalty programs across all their brands of stores (City Market, Harris Teeter, Kroger, King Soopers, Ralphs, Fred Meyer, and others, but those are the ones I have been in), so you can use pretty much any older area code you like to try it out.
Rumor also has it that in virtually any major grocery store in the USA you can put in any (valid) area code and 867-5309 and it will work as a rewards member number to get you the discounts. I have done it when traveling and have had success.
I would assume that as many are using it for the discount, there are at least a substantial portion who use it for gas discounts at Kroger gas stations. You can get up to 30 cents per gallon off if enough has been spent lately.
Seven is an important digit for the cadence because its the only one with two syllables. I guess you could double-up the last two fives and say "zero" instead of "0" to make it fit.
The test prefix for test or example DOIs is 10.5555, following the American phone number convention. I have 10.5555/12345678 seared in my muscle memory.
I saw a commercial once where the joke was a guy asking a girl for her IP address instead of her phone number. They went with 127.0.0.1; the loopback address. So (at least in my eyes) there was the extra unspoken joke of her essentially telling the guy to go f*#$ himself.
I have one of these that I use when dealing with retailers for which the phrase "I don't have a smartphone" does not compute. Saves the hassle of having to explain it every time, and so far I'm the only one using my made up number, so they "remember me" or whatever. But they can't actually call, and that's the point.
"The song's title, "777-9311", was Prince guitarist Dez Dickerson's actual telephone number at the time the song was written. Once the song became a hit, the phone calls started coming in, and Dickerson ended up having to change his phone number." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/777-9311
In the early days of the Internet, there was this website with a list of payphone numbers from all over the United States. In my state, there were only three entries, and my home phone number was one of them. It was listed as being outside a publicly traded chain restaurant.
On occasion, radio stations would do bits where they would call a random payphone from the website. My house was called 3 times for the same bit by different radio stations. Within a month apart, I spoke to two different stations from New Zealand. MoreFM was one of them, but I don't remember the other. I do remember that that were very disappointed when I told them I had just spoken to MoreFM a month prior. Also MoreFM was the only station that didn't end the bit when I explained it was not a pay phone
In the 1980's IBM had some marketing promotion in the US and distributed brochures and posters at different computer seller chains. The prominently displayed phone number had a typo and it was instead my parents' land line.
Surprisingly, they didn't get that many calls, and IBM corrected the number in the next round of marketing. So they never had to change their number.
> website with a list of payphone numbers ... my home phone number was one of them
Did you find out how this came to be, or just random typo?
Curious what the purpose of calling a pay phone is? (wasn't possible in my country)
> Curious what the purpose of calling a pay phone is? (wasn't possible in my country)
If you want to let somebody know you can't talk right now but you will call them back in 10 minutes, this makes it possible without having them use another quarter (coin currency in US) to call you back in 10 minutes, or requiring them to feed quarters in while you wait on hold for 10 minutes.
Also plenty of other reasons that we've all seen in spy movies :)
Also in Neuromancer when Wintermute wants to talk to Case and is ringing all the pay phones. I’ve read that book a dozen times and never thought twice about it. It was recently pointed out to me how incongruous it is to be in the future with AI and cyberspace and orbital colonies but there are still pay phones.
I think at the time of writing payphones where still so common that it was hard to imagine a world without them. The payphones are also quite fundamental to hacking culture due to the roots in "phone phreaking" which is used in the story. So perhaps it was included due to association with those elements as it will give the reader some context of at that time the current day in this futuristic world and ground them in the fictional universe.
It was written in the early 80s on a mechanical typewriter, and released only a very few months after the first Apple Macintosh. Modems were insanely expensive back then and not many people had them.
So much of the things in the book that we think of as familiar didn't even really exist when Johnny Mnemonic was written in 1981, again on a mechanical typewriter.
This is actually something I was thinking about lately: How science fiction (and future-predictors) mostly only extrapolates from our current ways of doing things.
Like those Victorian era drawings of people in posh dresses walking across lakes by having hot-air balloons tied to their bodies..
Even sci-fi games involving space ships and aliens have people using floppy disks, printouts, and faxes.. in years long after those things went out of common use.
Before the iPhone very little sci-fi predicted something like smartphones being so prevalent throughout global society. Today even some of the poorest people in the poorest countries have some form of personal mobile phone.
And even now, the best we can imagine is that people will still be using phones and laptops in 2060.
E.E. "Doc" Smith's Lensmen series, a sweeping, galaxy-scale space opera (arguably the type-example of the genre), first published in 1937 had some memorable examples of this - punch card computers and one diesel-powered space ship. But along with such anachronisms (and more SF tropes than I can readily list), Smith also described video calls, stealth vehicles, and may have invented the Combat Information Center.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5621/sciefictstud.38.3.0558
There are tons of examples of course, but one that jumps to mind is Oath of Fealty by Jerry Pournelle where one of the plot points is an implant that gives the chosen few access to an encyclopedic database. Of course, today, a smartphone with cell access provides that (or at least a more chaotic version of same) to more or less everyone. You could also reasonably argue that the encyclopedia in Asimov's Foundation trilogy makes somewhat similar assumptions.
I do think some sort of AR interface is somewhere in the future but it's almost certainly a long way off for mainstream adoption.
>Oath of Fealty by Jerry Pournelle
and Larry Niven!
Forgot Larry Niven was a co-author of that one. They tended to be a good pair on novel-length works. Niven's novels tended to end up as travelogues and Pournelle's ended up as military SF.
Conversely though, there is plenty of older sci-fi that assumes by the 2000s we'd all be zooming around in flying cars rather than in cars that are basically the same sort of thing they had in the fifties.
Oh yes! That is the exact same extrapolation: Just a better, more-exaggerated version of how we already do things!!
Faster horses!
Funny I was watching this dude talk about this exact concept just the other night: https://youtu.be/C6D_WuLWVrQ
Sci-fi books are full of reverse anachronisms like that. Worlds with space travel, but no computers.
Asimov has some good stories where people no longer know how to read and write and multiply because everything is done on computers and all interactions with computers and are done by voice.
"The Feeling of Power" IIRC.
Also so The Machine can give you the encoded social security number of someone who is either going to commit a crime or become the victim of one so pre-conspiracy Jim Caviezel can come and save your life or blow your kneecaps out.
If you haven't seen this movie. An old one but good one https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0183649/plotsummary/
Also: Die Hard 3
Definitely one of the downsides of aging is the shock of realizing that movies that you vaguely remember as being fairly new are now old. (I was expecting a movie from the '40s, not 2003.)
Also, to save a click, the movie is Phone Booth.
Somewhat different thing but it was also very common in college to make a person to person call through an operator and the person (typically parents) on the other end would refuse the call and call you back because it could be much cheaper for them.
I've never heard of anybody using a collect call for any other purpose.
That’s one example. For me, I think I mostly used it to have conversations that would extend past the number of quarters I was carrying.
There was once an application, long gone and probably short lived, that let you ring payphones for free over the internet. Me and my mates had a great time phoning up times square, a pub in Australia and other places chatting to randoms.
It was once possible to call us phone numbers for free via Gmail.
I'm not sure how it came to be. My guess is typo. The restaurant in question was down the street from me and it did have a payphone outside of it. I can't recall if I ever went to check the phone number of the payphone.
They actually just demolished the building that formally housed the restaurant (a Friendly's if anyone is familiar). The building sat empty for years.
As a kid on school trips I would call my parents with one token (in my country that's what was used) and asked them to call me back. Sometimes at the end of the call your friend might ask your parents to call their parents and asked them to call the pay phone, and so on.
> Curious what the purpose of calling a pay phone is? (wasn't possible in my country)
Mostly for the humor value for an on-air radio show. I’m sure were pre-arranged just to make sure they got something usable, but I can see the occasion where a random person walking by and hearing the pay phone RINGING would cause them to pause. As a teenager I would have picked it up in a heartbeat (even not having heard the radio shows).
As for other “purposes” I’ve seen some crime/drama shows where the bad guy tells someone to go to the corner pay phone and answer it when it rings at a specific time. Horrible idea now as the phone systems would easily record the number that called it, but up until the early 2000’s it would be one option. Today I would guess dropping a burner phone in an envelope for the “victim” would be a more likely movie trope…
(Source: I’m from the US and remember a few radio stations doing this in the 1980’s and 1990’s.)
> Horrible idea now as the phone systems would easily record the number that called it
I think the idea was that you'd be calling from another pay phone, probably a different one each time so the number didn't matter.
You could do the same with pagers. Your drug dealer would own a pager, you'd call the pager from a random pay phone and send that pay phone's number as a message. The dealer would then use a different pay phone to call you back.
Unlike cellphones, pagers were often one-way, receive-only devices, so you couldn't use them to track somebody's location.
In the 1990s I picked up a payphone outside East Croydon station (UK) and it turned out to be "Amy from Penge".
I wish there was more to this story but we just chatted for a little bit and hung up.
> Horrible idea now as the phone systems would easily record the number that called it, but up until the early 2000’s it would be one option.
Sure, but you would presumably also be at a payphone, and not use the same ones over and over. Short calls and leave quickly.
I don't have any more money, if it runs out, call me back at this number.
I'd like to make a collect call, please. First name "Bob"; last name is... "Wehadababyitsaboy".
My childhood equivalent is first name your son last name MomComeTakeMeFromThePool!
Did you get any swag?
I did win a Lord of the Rings prize pack from MoreFM, but it never arrived at my house. Either it got lost in transit or they just never shipped it.
The call with them was right around the time of the theatrical release of the first film, and the people on t radio show were excited because the movie was filmed in New Zealand. To win the prize I had to name two people from New Zealand. I couldn't think of anyone, and earlier in the call I had already looked up the stations website, so they told me to go to the staff page and name two people.
This was back in the days of dial up Internet, but we were one of the first houses to get DSL. I remember one of the people at the radio station was amazed that I could be online and on the phone at the same time.
Ages ago I did work for VFX house. We got a few numbers for the film and maintained an OGM on those lines for like 12 years.
I love when film has a real world tie in
Edit: more media should do this. Fun Easter eggs on IP or numbers from the film.
Excuse me, but what is an OGM?
Probably Out-Going Message.
Seeing 770-555-5555 on screen has always been a huge pet peeve for me. It really kills the suspension of disbelief for me.
There’s a fun scene in The Last Action Hero which plays on this convention: A kid who’s gotten transported into a movie and is trying to convince Arnold Scharzenegger’s character that they’re in a movie by asking a bunch of people what their phone number is and pointing out that all the numbers begin with 555.
Yeah, it would be nice if the reserved numbers were random so that they didn't stand out. Sure, some nerds will still memorize the list but even with 20 numbers it would be basically indistinguishable to the average person compared to the xxx-555-xxxx for NANP.
I think the goal with 555 numbers is people know not to call it.
But it would be possible to register a number and put a promotion or easter egg on it. These days with virtual phone numbers it would be pretty cheap. The main problem is it lasting when rest of promotion disappears.
Recently I've noticed the 555 prefix being used less, in favor of prefixes starting with 1, which are also invalid in the real world.
I thought 1 is the country prefix for the USA?
Technically it's the country code for the North American Numbering Plan, which is used by several other countries as well as the US.
But in this context it'd be the first digit of the area code, with no country code being used because the call is within the US. There are no area codes in the the North American Numbering Plan that start with a 1.
Have none starting with 1 been assigned, or is there some technical reason there are none?
Per Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_Numberi...
"The syntax rules for area codes do not permit the digits 0 and 1 in the leading position."
My guess would be it's to avoid ambiguity with the fact that 1 is also the country code. If I recall correctly, historically, dialing the 1 was necessary for any long distance call (even if not international).
It used to be the case that the middle digit of an area code had to be a 0 or a 1. All the O.G. "cool" area codes like 212 are in this format, and the less desirable new area codes like 646 are not (yes, this is an accidental Seinfeld reference).
>If I recall correctly, historically, dialing the 1 was necessary for any long distance call (even if not international).
You recall correctly. I haven't had a landline for a number of years now but I think it was still required latterly when I still had one. Don't think it was ever needed on cell (or maybe even valid) when I first got one at some point in the 1990s.
It is, although I'd imagine many Americans aren't aware of this.
+1 is also the prefix for Canada
I think that’s at least in part because some 555 prefix numbers have been assigned for non-directory information uses (I have a vague notion of seeing this for some toll-free numbers).
Accordingly for a movie that showed aspects of phone phreaking techniques and culture, Hackers (1995) mentions at least three 555 numbers:
212-555-4240: The number of the modem at OTV that Dade social-engineers out of the security flunkie, allowing him to dial into the cable channel's systems
555-4817: Lisa Blair's phone number, which Lord Nikon recalls out of his photographic memory at the party.
555-4202: Kate's number, which Phreak connects to by rapidly pressing the prison phone's switchhook ten times (effectively pulse-dialing 0) and then asking the operator for help dialing
Given how stylized the movie is as a whole, the prominence of several obviously-fake phone numbers is the least of the things that break realism.
>rapidly pressing the prison phone's switchhook ten times (effectively pulse-dialing 0)
Eleven times; 1 was two clicks.
GP is correct. 1 has 1 click (at least in US where I grew up).
There are a few variations listed below, but none seem to use “extra” clicks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_dialing
Swede here, the article even mentions Sweden as an exception having an extra click.
Back in Bell of Pennsylvania days, 555 was a legitimate prefix. It was used to reach BoPA offices.
When I was a kid '555' was my whole [UK local] phone number.
I remember when they added 0 to town codes...but just 3 digit?
It still is, for every area code I believe. It's the same as calling 411 where I am. (Information)
The UK also has something similar https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-and-broadband/phone-numbers/...
My fictional British phone number is:
01 811 8055
This used to be the BBC number for call ins, particularly the kids TV show 'Swap Shop', but also for so much else during the 1970s and 1980s.
This number was retired in 1990 when the London ran out of phone numbers and switched to two different prefixes, 071 and 081. The former was advertised on TV as 'Inner London' and the latter as 'Greater London'. This bit of marketing kept everyone happy.
There was still a problem with numbers and the need to go for eleven digits. Hence, in 1995, the codes for London changed again, to 0171 and 0181. This was PHONEDAY.
But still, more numbers were needed, plus the tech behind the scenes was ever-evolving. Hence, in 2000, the numbers changed again for London, for everything to start with 020, so 0171 became 0207 and 0181 became 0208.
But then everyone got mobile phones and we no longer heard about how the economy was growing so quickly that we had this apparent incessant need for even more phone numbers. Furthermore, mobile phones had contacts built into them, so there was no need to remember phone numbers, which was just as well as eleven digits were not so easy to memorise, particularly when the prefixes had changed around so much.
Hence, my personal choice of fictional number. Apart from anything else, it enables me to see how well forms are validated, plus 01 811 8055 is only going to ever be recognised as a 'famous' number by Brits over a certain age.
To be pedantic, both 0171 and 0181 became 020, but with the 7 or the 8 moved to the front of the number, so 0171 222 1234 [1] became 020 7222 1234, with 7222 1234 being dialable in London without the area code.
There are also now London numbers that start with a 3 or a 4 as well as 7 and 8 so it's important to properly describe the dialling code for London as 020.
Misconceptions about telephone dialling in the UK are so commonplace that they merit their own Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_telephone_code_misconceptio...
[1] a real number that will get you through to Transport for London enquiries
My fictional British phone number is: 0118 999 88199 9119 725 3
From the hilarious TV Series "IT Crowd":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWc3WY3fuZU
From the amazing, in more ways than one, Graham Linehan <3
well if "bashing trans women" qualifies as amazing...
The streaming services in recent years decided to remove that IT Crowd episode entirely, which is unfortunate as it was very funny.
I really hate that shit a lot. There are some really funny It’s Always Sunnny episodes that have been yanked too.
Like we are adults here, folks. Who are these streaming platforms to police content in that way.
Same thing with basically every Louis episode. That was an amazing series.
Why should I care about his opinions on identity politics? I find his comedy funny. He could be Hitler for all I care.
It’s the episode
https://screenrant.com/it-ycrowd-controversy-graham-linehan-...
Many classic tv shows have episodes and themes which are bad today. Star Trek has a lot of 60s attitudes — Mudds Women for example.
I choose to see them as signs at how far society has progressed. Or regressed in the case of trans.
In the 90s the U.K. TV soap “corronation street” - watched by about 30% if the population each week - had a trans character. The character had very little controversy.ant the same time everyone loved Dane Edna. And Mrs Merton.
But today those shows would be far more controversial.
On the flip side, Brookside had a pre watershed lesbian kiss and it was major amounts of outrage.
Their activist movement has lost ground in public opinion as more people learn about how regressive and authoritarian its aims are. Unfortunately it's no longer about tolerating and accepting differences, as with the gay rights movement, which was highly successful on this basis. Instead the primary objective of trans activism seems to be forbidding women from drawing a boundary between themselves and any man who claims to be a woman.
That’s a artificially constructed load of bigoted misinformation.
Framing trans advocacy as "authoritarian" is a rhetorical inversion -- the actual authoritarianism is coming from those trying to legislate trans people out of public life. The "boundaries" you describe aren’t feminist; they're exclusionary by definition, since they redefine womanhood in purely biological terms and erase trans women entirely.
Trans rights aren’t a new ideology -- they’re a continuation of the same principle that guided the gay rights movement since the 1969 Stonewall uprising, led in part by trans women like Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera: the freedom to live authentically without persecution. Trying to divide those struggles is a well-worn tactic used against every marginalized group in history.
>His dating site shenanigans were very amusing though. Clearly his flair for comedy hasn't suffered, though he could do with dialing back the obsession on this specific topic, for his own good more than anything.
If your idea of "amusing" comedy is a grown man catfishing queer people on a dating site just to publicly mock them, that’s not humor -- that’s bullying dressed up as banter. The difference between good satire and cruelty is simple: good satire punches up, exposing hypocrisy or power; cruelty punches down, targeting people who already face stigma.
Linehan’s "flair for comedy" has curdled into sadism, and that is why his wife divorced him and won't let him contact his own kids: the only audience left laughing are those sickos who enjoy watching others humiliated, like you admit to, concerned more for "his own good" and freedom from self-inflicted and well-deserved consequences, than the suffering of the innocent marginalized people he's bullying. That’s not wit, it’s moral decay.
A few years ago, I read an interview with Simon Fanshawe, one of the founders of the UK charity Stonewall. It was very insightful for a number of reasons, but what was most interesting were his thoughts on why the gay rights movement had succeeded, yet trans activism was beginning to fail.
He made the very astute point that Stonewall's strategy was to take specific issues concerning lesbian women and gay men, and from these, derive broader principles which the general public could easily support. It was all about invoking a sense of fairness, and this is how they gradually built up support for equal rights.
He compared this to trans activism, and observed that these activists weren't following the same strategy. Instead, they were just telling people they're wrong, intimidating them into silence, and calling them bigots and scum and transphobic. He predicted that this approach was going to backfire. It seems he was right.
The other point he made was how trans activism more negatively affects women and especially lesbian women, many of whom had contacted him in distress at what they saw, increasingly so, as lesbian erasure. He talked about the death threats and violence towards lesbians that came from the trans activist side. He talked about how lesbian protesters had recently been kicked out of a Pride march for asserting their same-sex sexual orientation.
If we look at the points Graham Linehan has been making, they are very similar. His satirical profile on what was purportedly a lesbian dating site was a comedy bit with a serious point: that his ridiculous and overtly male presence on there was indistinguishable from the many other males on that app who called themselves lesbians. He was using comedy to draw attention to the erasure of a much more marginalized group, lesbian women.
Well, that's not so hard to remember.
I suspect my ability to sing ‘0181 811 81 81’ might mark be out as a Briton of a certain age…
That brought back memories. To think there was a time when directory enquiries was free and you spoke to a real human, armed with a telephone book. Sometimes you could be on hold for a while, however, you could also be vague with your enquiry, for the operator to check spelling variants for you.
Everyone used to be in the phone book, to get anyone's number was just a matter of detective work, particularly if there were lots of 'J Smith' entries and you only had a vague idea where they lived.
We didn't have scam callers but 'wrong number' was quite common. People also used to phone their friends more often, since text messaging, email and apps were not available options.
Growing up my home phone number was 4 digits for a local call, or at least so I was required to memorise it as a small child.
In the very late 90s I briefly had a rotary dial phone - very anachronistic even then - and discovered that dialling an eleven digit number that way is a huge ballache - it's so sloooow! Especially if the number has a bunch of 9s in it.
A little after that I was in the US but kept using my British mobile for a month or two as my contact - giving my number to people was even worse ... rattling off a 15 digit (international prefix plus country code) always confused people.
I too remember the Swap Shop number with some fondness. I certainly called it at least once or twice.
Last note - I realised recently that I still know the X29 address for nsfnet relay from Janet to the Internet (basically a Janet-to-telnet relay). That's a 14 digit number that I last used over 30 years ago. My memory's pretty average, but man, once stuff goes in it does not come out again!
I can still remember four digit numbers for some of my school friends.
At the time there were two digit codes for neighbouring exchanges, however, these were not universal. For example, my parents phone was on exchange 'P' and the code to call my friends in town 'S' was 81. However, if I went to town 'G', the code for town 'S' was something completely different.
The new and longer prefixes were introduced in parallel to the convenient two digit short codes. I can't quite remember all of the lingo for what the new prefixes and systems were called, however, for the rotary dial phone, you did not have to dial all ten digits (or latterly eleven), as you obviously memorised the 2 + 4 numbers for all of your friends, and only needed to spend a brief amount of time waiting for that dial to tap out its special codes.
The 'Swap Shop number' was also used for early Crimewatch programmes and so much else. Jim'll Fix It was write-in only from what I remember, and I have a sister that wrote in to meet Kermit. She dodged a bullet there!
I didn't get to know X29 or nsfnet as well as you, at the time networking skills were tantamount to witchcraft voodoo. However, I remember JANET addresses being back to front. For example, I was at Plymouth where it was something like uk.ac.plymouth. We also had lots of different non-TCP/IP network standards going on with considerable skill needed to get files between SGI/Sun workstations, IBM workstations, IBM mini-computers, VAX VMS and those new-fangled PCs.
Kermit was the tool used for moving files around, and I am now wondering what happened to Kermit. Kermit has dropped out of the history books somewhat.
I guess FTP was the extinction event for Kermit ... and didn't Kermit itself kill off the various [XYZ]Modem protocols?
I too recall the reversed addresses. The transition from X29 to Internet fell in the middle of my university¹ education... we went from mostly Vax/VMS+JANET when I started to mostly Linux+Internet when I left (and the web had suddenly appeared too). There was an awkward bit in the middle where I was super keen to be on the internet (though my main interest was Usenet) and the nsfnet relay via PAD on the Vax was the only available intermediary. It's mildly interesting that the sole system I could connect to in this way to browse Usenet was Nyx which rather amazingly is still up. I assume they deleted my account at some point in the last 30 years though. It was unbearably slow anyway, so I gave up quite swiftly.
Fun times dimly remembered.
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¹Actually a Poly, uk.ac.pow when I arrived, but a Uni, glam.ac.uk when I left. It's changed name once or twice since then as well!
In the US, there was a period when phone numbers were getting scarce in some locales as faxes/modems/etc. were coming in. Additional area codes were added, as was lampooned in a Seinfeld episode at one point; some people got rather hot and bothered when they got migrated from the "main" metro area code to essentially a suburban area code.
I was once on a bus and I could hear some teenagers talking. One asked a girl for her phone number and she told him a number starting with 07709, the UK's "555". I only knew that because a Doctor Who episode had recently used the same prefix.
If youre watching an Australian show and see a mobile phone ring and it shows the callers number, ring it. You'll likely annoy someone who works on the show.
Why Australian shows? Do they happen to show real numbers more often, or get annoyed more often, or do you have some odd specific reason to want Australians who work on TV shows annoyed?
(edit: I see now the domain is .gov.au specifically)
In the "cool stuff about making movies" vein:
HIGHLY recommend this YouTube channel from a movie/TV propmaker: https://www.youtube.com/@ScottPropandRoll
Covers everything from: - making fake food for eating
- how to make potato chip bags that don't crinkle
- breakaway props e.g. for hitting people with baseball bats etc
If Jenny's number was 555-5309 I don't think it would have worked in a song.
If you shop at Safeway (Albertsons?) and need a member's discount, but don't have a membership/number, 510-867-5309 works. Staff members have specifically mentioned it.
Something burned into my brain is "call 836-7000 or visit transitchicago.com" which was an announcement that played seemingly every 30 seconds on CTA buses back when I lived there. I was in California once and tried 312-836-7000 as the loyalty card phone number at Safeway and it worked. So I guess I'm not the only one. (847- 773- etc. would probably also work. That's why I thought the message was so cool... they got the number in every Chicagoland area code!)
I have shared this story on Reddit before and I got banned from r/AskReddit for "doxing". That phone number is super secret and must not be publicized! Whoops!
It's funny to see where that number ends up. Even on government websites, e.g. https://staging.housingbayarea.mtc.ca.gov/listing/ext/40d6d4...
There was a fairly large local grocery chain who just required the last 4 digits of the phone number to get a discount. I’m not sure who thought that was a good idea, but they’ve since gone out of business (I’m reasonably certain there’s no direct correlation between those facts).
One time I used 867-5309 at a chain store, the young male checkout clerk had an instant of a look of recognition, and promptly sang the number, really well.
(xxx)555-1212 works surprisingly often. I've used it more than a few times while traveling.
About ten years ago or so, Kroger finally integrated the loyalty programs across all their brands of stores (City Market, Harris Teeter, Kroger, King Soopers, Ralphs, Fred Meyer, and others, but those are the ones I have been in), so you can use pretty much any older area code you like to try it out.
Generally 867-5309 in the local area code works for most rewards programs.
I worked retail in the US, can confirm in multiple area codes
Rumor was that everyone who had 867-5309 changed it shortly after it released. Except for Jenny. She had a fantastic dating life long before Tinder.
Rumor also has it that in virtually any major grocery store in the USA you can put in any (valid) area code and 867-5309 and it will work as a rewards member number to get you the discounts. I have done it when traveling and have had success.
Yeah, whoever owns those numbers has to be rolling in rewards points. It's my loyalty number at Kroger, Publix, Speedway, etc.
Heck it might be worth trying to purchase said number for the rewards, come to think of it.
I would assume that as many are using it for the discount, there are at least a substantial portion who use it for gas discounts at Kroger gas stations. You can get up to 30 cents per gallon off if enough has been spent lately.
I used one of those at CVS and the printout was rather long; even the cashier was impressed.
I heard of a business trying to sell it but couldn’t for licensing so sold the business and the number was incidental.
Seven is an important digit for the cadence because its the only one with two syllables. I guess you could double-up the last two fives and say "zero" instead of "0" to make it fit.
KLondike 5-5309 kind of works though.
Pennsylvania 6-5000 was a real phone number too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEnnsylvania_6-5000
Huh, I didn’t know the song, but I guess that explains the 80s movie “Transylvania 6-5000”…
For the old RNB crowd it was 777-9311…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_telephone_number
I expected more than 8 countries + NANP to have drama numbers.
Phone systems use to be high tech back-in-the-day and the original "hacker news" was https://www.2600.com (in print).
Does this mean 634-5789 is a real number?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuC0T-_ONIA
The test prefix for test or example DOIs is 10.5555, following the American phone number convention. I have 10.5555/12345678 seared in my muscle memory.
Do they also have this for IP addresses?
I saw a commercial once where the joke was a guy asking a girl for her IP address instead of her phone number. They went with 127.0.0.1; the loopback address. So (at least in my eyes) there was the extra unspoken joke of her essentially telling the guy to go f*#$ himself.
If only Tommy Tutone had this list when they wrote 867-5309.
The number has to be singable, though.
Futurama used the alien alphabet to get around this because, as the commentary said, they didn't want to use another 555- number.
The Simpsons went more meta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qh1JlNaOxo
Wow! Had no idea. I wonder how do they monitor if they use these for setting up an account for some offers.
The only people who would give one of these numbers out in real life are people who otherwise don't want to give you a real number.
Anyone who needs a number for a legitimate reason should do their own validation anyway.
You can try calling them but they return "number disconnected" messages.
I have one of these that I use when dealing with retailers for which the phrase "I don't have a smartphone" does not compute. Saves the hassle of having to explain it every time, and so far I'm the only one using my made up number, so they "remember me" or whatever. But they can't actually call, and that's the point.
For any website registration that asks for a phone number I put in one of these for my area.
Always use theses in testing don't ask me how I know.
This is dope, will be nice to see how many robo crawlers are crawling these numbers.
+49-89-32 16 8
"The song's title, "777-9311", was Prince guitarist Dez Dickerson's actual telephone number at the time the song was written. Once the song became a hit, the phone calls started coming in, and Dickerson ended up having to change his phone number." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/777-9311
For a good time call (303) 499-7111
For dirty deeds ring 3-6 2-4 3-6.
Man, I miss the days when telephones were just telephones. The world just seems less mysterious now.
That was almost never the case. We just didn't know any better
Phone bombers are still a thing ;-)
* in Australia
I would imagine the .au on the Australian Communications and Media Authority's domain gives that away.
I don’t see Beachwood 4-5789 on that list.
I don't think Marvin Gaye was using ACMA's list.
https://www.nanpa.com/numbering/555-line-numbers
this only applies in country code 61. most folks here would be in another numbering plan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_telephone_country_code...