> if you want to back this file up regularly with something like restic, then you will quickly end up in a world of pain: since new mails are not even appended to the end of the file, each cycle of takeout-then-backup essentially produces a new giant file.
As I'm sure the author is aware, Restic will do hash-based chunking so that similar files can be efficiently be backed up.
How similar are two successive Takeout mboxes?
If the order of messages within an mbox is stable, and new emails are inserted somewhere, the delta update might be tiny.
Even if the order of the mbox's messages are ~random, Restic's delta updates will forego large attachments.
It would be great to see empirical figures here: how large is the incremental backup after after a month's emails. How does that compare for each backup strategy?
The pro of sticking with restic is simplicity, and also avoiding the risk of your tool managing to screw up the data.
This risk isn't so bad if it's a mature tool that canonicalises mboxes (e.g. order them by time), but seems risky for something handrolled.
Gmail takeouts come in an arbitrarily-ordered mbox file; I wanted something a bit more backup friendly so I created a small tool for that purpose and wrote about it.
For emails, here is my current simple backup setup. Of course, I’m also looking to do this without having to open Thunderbird, or I might have an old laptop running it. So, work-in-progress.
For the email accounts I want a backup, I set it to spew out POP3 without doing anything (don’t mark read or delete). I set up Thunderbird with that POP3. It has a backup copy of all the emails. I’ve had searchable emails since like 2004/2005, and I’ve occasionally replied to people and gotten back in touch with very old friends from the Internet.
I saw an open-source tool sometime back (I think, here on Hacker News) that backs up your IMAP mails with a nicely done interface. That would be nice to have.
Edit: Perhaps Bichon,[1] mentioned somewhere in the other comment threads[2] was the one.
All the time. I read an interesting thing about someone online, and that name strikes me as someone I have interacted with. I search my email archive, then reply to that thread or start a new one to catch up. All of them have been super happy, “wow! You replied to our email from 10 years ago!”
I do have “Clean Inbox”[1] because I don’t see or interact with them, but I keep them. The only emails I see are the actionable “Unread OR Flagged.”
How strictly do you define need? I've been living as an adult long enough that there have been countless times I've searched for photos and emails from one or two decades ago. I distinctly remember the first time I met an Inbox Zero person. It was so important to her to militantly delete everything she had dealt with, and to me, the disadvantages from that practice far outweigh the advantages.
I backed up lots of emails that I deemed precious, but I still search through email first, because sometimes it's just easier to search email than to search my backups.
Also, oftentimes I search email not so much for the content, but to find the timestamp associated with a particular event. I have had to search old email metadata a few times when I get an unexpected question related to time (for example, gmail will ask when you created the account as part of its account recovery process).
I have, but very rarely. I could count on one hand how often I’ve needed to dig back more than half a decade ago.
Back when I used Gmail I just kept everything personal and work related but when I moved away and started paying for email storage I took a different approach. It didn’t make sense for me to pay considerably more storage for something I almost never use.
I ended up backing up all of my emails outside of the last 5 years and stored them on an offline drive where I can reference them as eml files if I ever need it.
Going forward once a year I’ll export and purge the oldest year in my account.
I've enjoyed digging up an old flight itinerary to see how much I paid back in 2015 or just looking at the messages a company replied in support and realizing I'm not buying from them again because they didn't fix the problem.
Wouldn't it be nice if Google just dumped the takeout into a sqlite file?
> if you want to back this file up regularly with something like restic, then you will quickly end up in a world of pain: since new mails are not even appended to the end of the file, each cycle of takeout-then-backup essentially produces a new giant file.
As I'm sure the author is aware, Restic will do hash-based chunking so that similar files can be efficiently be backed up.
How similar are two successive Takeout mboxes?
If the order of messages within an mbox is stable, and new emails are inserted somewhere, the delta update might be tiny.
Even if the order of the mbox's messages are ~random, Restic's delta updates will forego large attachments.
It would be great to see empirical figures here: how large is the incremental backup after after a month's emails. How does that compare for each backup strategy?
The pro of sticking with restic is simplicity, and also avoiding the risk of your tool managing to screw up the data.
This risk isn't so bad if it's a mature tool that canonicalises mboxes (e.g. order them by time), but seems risky for something handrolled.
Gmail takeouts come in an arbitrarily-ordered mbox file; I wanted something a bit more backup friendly so I created a small tool for that purpose and wrote about it.
I've been meaning to try this tool for backing up. I'm curious if anyone else has tried this.
https://github.com/rustmailer/bichon
For emails, here is my current simple backup setup. Of course, I’m also looking to do this without having to open Thunderbird, or I might have an old laptop running it. So, work-in-progress.
For the email accounts I want a backup, I set it to spew out POP3 without doing anything (don’t mark read or delete). I set up Thunderbird with that POP3. It has a backup copy of all the emails. I’ve had searchable emails since like 2004/2005, and I’ve occasionally replied to people and gotten back in touch with very old friends from the Internet.
I saw an open-source tool sometime back (I think, here on Hacker News) that backs up your IMAP mails with a nicely done interface. That would be nice to have.
Edit: Perhaps Bichon,[1] mentioned somewhere in the other comment threads[2] was the one.
1. https://github.com/rustmailer/bichon
2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46429250
Serious question: have you ever needed an email from even 5 years ago?
I only save financial statements and contact information. Everything else gets deleted as soon as possible.
All the time. I read an interesting thing about someone online, and that name strikes me as someone I have interacted with. I search my email archive, then reply to that thread or start a new one to catch up. All of them have been super happy, “wow! You replied to our email from 10 years ago!”
I do have “Clean Inbox”[1] because I don’t see or interact with them, but I keep them. The only emails I see are the actionable “Unread OR Flagged.”
1. https://brajeshwar.com/2024/email/
How strictly do you define need? I've been living as an adult long enough that there have been countless times I've searched for photos and emails from one or two decades ago. I distinctly remember the first time I met an Inbox Zero person. It was so important to her to militantly delete everything she had dealt with, and to me, the disadvantages from that practice far outweigh the advantages.
Inbox Zero just means to deal with messages as they come in, then move them out of the inbox, generally to an archive section.
If she was hard-deleting everything, she wasn't just Inbox Zero, she was F---s Zero, too.
I backed up lots of emails that I deemed precious, but I still search through email first, because sometimes it's just easier to search email than to search my backups.
Also, oftentimes I search email not so much for the content, but to find the timestamp associated with a particular event. I have had to search old email metadata a few times when I get an unexpected question related to time (for example, gmail will ask when you created the account as part of its account recovery process).
I have, but very rarely. I could count on one hand how often I’ve needed to dig back more than half a decade ago.
Back when I used Gmail I just kept everything personal and work related but when I moved away and started paying for email storage I took a different approach. It didn’t make sense for me to pay considerably more storage for something I almost never use.
I ended up backing up all of my emails outside of the last 5 years and stored them on an offline drive where I can reference them as eml files if I ever need it.
Going forward once a year I’ll export and purge the oldest year in my account.
Yes, looking for old documents proving things for the government.
> Everything else gets deleted as soon as possible.
What's the advantage to deleting? It's easy to ignore anything old and disk space is cheap. Do you delete old photos?
I've enjoyed digging up an old flight itinerary to see how much I paid back in 2015 or just looking at the messages a company replied in support and realizing I'm not buying from them again because they didn't fix the problem.
Looking up how much things used to cost? I too like being depressed.