People better pay attention to this issue if they want to work in the tech field. How the US interacts with its associates governs how products can be marketed, how staffing can be done, how money can be raised, … pretty much everything of interest to the HN community must be seen through this economic and immigration lens. Autarky might be a neat concept to some, but it’ll suck being a startup in that environment. They need customers and staff so restrictions on their scope suck.
The daily dose of distressing news from this administration is taking a toll on my health and I am sure many other Americans.
Why aren’t our leaders speaking out more forcefully against these outrages? McConnell did give a speech pushing back, but it barely registered and wasn’t reported nearly enough. Yes, we made a grave mistake in electing the wrong person as president—but that doesn’t mean the country is obligated to sit silently for the next three years while he lurches from one dangerous blunder to the next.
If impeachment and conviction aren’t on the table, then the least our leaders—Republicans and Democrats alike—must do is stand together and speak with one clear, unmistakable voice in opposition. Failing to do so isn’t just political cowardice; it carries real consequences. Our credibility with Europe, already strained, will continue to erode if the world sees that American leadership is unwilling or unable to check reckless behavior.
It's not three more years. The midterms are this year. If the public don't like the status quo the Democrats will gain majorities and things should change.
It really is up to the voters to start fixing this. If they want to.
The republicans want this. McConnell did everything in his power to make damn sure Donald Trump never saw justice.
This is the leadership. Congress abdicated their jobs and de facto doesn’t exist, the Supreme Court now solely exists to make sure that Trump is not constrained by law, and the executive branch is doing exactly what they said they were going to do during election season.
We’re not getting out of this unscathed. It’s too late. November 6, 2024 we were too late.
This is the only statement that matters. We knew exactly who Trump is and exactly what he would do if voted in again. The "opposition" did nothing during Trump's first term, and now they are completely powerless do do anything.
America voted for this, we failed miserably to prevent this from happening for the past 30 years, and we will pay the price for this for generations.
I feel that those who fear the end of NATO aren't thinking far enough.
What's possible isn't an end of NATO, it's an EU-US war, with citizens of one in the other being interned, ships being prevented from leaving ports, complete embargoes à la WWII etc.
If Denmark is invaded, we're at war, and I don't see how it can take any other form than this in the initial phases.
Europe doesn’t have a military that’s worth talking about. So it’s politically impossible for the EU to go to war with the US. They’ll do lots of protesting but that’ll be about it.
The US isn’t just going to straight up invade anyway. There’s lots of political this and that but it does want to keep the current world order to some degree.
It's perfectly possible for the EU to have a war with the US. Wars take time. The EU has better heavy industry, better ability to replace destroyed ships etc.
If we're going to have a war it will probably last at least half a decade, probably a little bit more. What you say of the EU could also be said of the US at the time of the attack on Pearl Harbour in 1941.
If we weren't open to the possibility, we wouldn't be sending tripwire forces to Greenland, as we currently are.
I can imagine it happening after many years, maybe after half a decade they’ll have built up a sizable military and political will to start considering military action.
Yes. The beginning phases of the war-- i.e. the first five years or so, would probably be limited to sea drones sinking EU and US shipping, with neither coming near the other's coast. There could be interesting actions around the Azores and Canary Islands, with the EU perhaps needing to do unconventional stuff to defend these.
In Romania, far right figures have gone as far as calling for 2026 to be named "The Year of America" in Romania.
It's hilarious because the same types are yelling about Making Romania Great Again, "truly sovereign" (whatever that means) and not subordinate to other states.
I'm sympathetic to the position that a lot of people just didn't pay attention before voting in the '24 election and voted purely off of some incomprehensibly puerile vibes, but the complete apathy I'm still seeing is equal parts profoundly tragic and utterly crazy-making.
Even if the US backs down, the transatlantic coziness that's felt like a permanent fixture all my life is just gone. And if we don't back down, God help everybody.
They won't, I genuinely believe the vast majority of Americans will call for war, invasion, etc if the price of their "treats" (TVs, cars, gas, ...) gets too out of reach.
Consumer prices are the only category that hasn't gone up in price in the last couple of decades. It's basically the only little "treat" you can look forward to while toiling away for peanuts
They won’t. Maga loooves it. They love the deportations and tariffs too. This is my impression from observing my in laws over the holidays. I am not optimistic about the future. This is what a failed education system gets you.
I just cannot stomach the number of people who apparently value nothing except displays of performative cruelty and childish tantrums.
There's been a significant shift of an "ow-I-touched-the-stove" variety towards sanity among independents, but it's a Problem that some significant double-digit percentage of the nation just plain likes this violent self-destructive flailing, and will reward anything as long as it makes them feel like somebody is getting hurt.
People better pay attention to this issue if they want to work in the tech field. How the US interacts with its associates governs how products can be marketed, how staffing can be done, how money can be raised, … pretty much everything of interest to the HN community must be seen through this economic and immigration lens. Autarky might be a neat concept to some, but it’ll suck being a startup in that environment. They need customers and staff so restrictions on their scope suck.
The daily dose of distressing news from this administration is taking a toll on my health and I am sure many other Americans.
Why aren’t our leaders speaking out more forcefully against these outrages? McConnell did give a speech pushing back, but it barely registered and wasn’t reported nearly enough. Yes, we made a grave mistake in electing the wrong person as president—but that doesn’t mean the country is obligated to sit silently for the next three years while he lurches from one dangerous blunder to the next.
If impeachment and conviction aren’t on the table, then the least our leaders—Republicans and Democrats alike—must do is stand together and speak with one clear, unmistakable voice in opposition. Failing to do so isn’t just political cowardice; it carries real consequences. Our credibility with Europe, already strained, will continue to erode if the world sees that American leadership is unwilling or unable to check reckless behavior.
It's not three more years. The midterms are this year. If the public don't like the status quo the Democrats will gain majorities and things should change.
It really is up to the voters to start fixing this. If they want to.
Even if Democrats were to take the House there still wouldn't be anything Democrats can do to stop Trump from attacking Denmark, would there?
The problem is that Trump is ignoring the law and nobody is doing anything about it. If the Democrats take the House they can impeach him.
Impeachment does not do anything. He has been twice impeached in his first term.
Yes, the Democrats need to take the Senate too. And they will if the voters want it.
Two-thirds of the senate required to convict, which is unlikely.
Impossible. There aren't enough open seats to get to 67 in the Senate.
> If the Democrats take the House they can impeach him.
Are we thinking third time's the charm?
Maybe we should stop pretending that impeachment matters. It clearly doesn't.
The republicans want this. McConnell did everything in his power to make damn sure Donald Trump never saw justice.
This is the leadership. Congress abdicated their jobs and de facto doesn’t exist, the Supreme Court now solely exists to make sure that Trump is not constrained by law, and the executive branch is doing exactly what they said they were going to do during election season.
We’re not getting out of this unscathed. It’s too late. November 6, 2024 we were too late.
This is the only statement that matters. We knew exactly who Trump is and exactly what he would do if voted in again. The "opposition" did nothing during Trump's first term, and now they are completely powerless do do anything.
America voted for this, we failed miserably to prevent this from happening for the past 30 years, and we will pay the price for this for generations.
It's because Trump has proven he can do whatever he wants without consequences. Democrats have largely given up resisting him and are waiting him out.
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It is interesting to me that right leaning outlets do not seem to think so.
They simply think we are entertaining an expansion and a sort of foreign policy shift.
European outlets are absolutely terrified and pondering whether this is what will force the end of NATO.
This pov isn’t represented in the right.
I feel that those who fear the end of NATO aren't thinking far enough.
What's possible isn't an end of NATO, it's an EU-US war, with citizens of one in the other being interned, ships being prevented from leaving ports, complete embargoes à la WWII etc.
If Denmark is invaded, we're at war, and I don't see how it can take any other form than this in the initial phases.
Europe doesn’t have a military that’s worth talking about. So it’s politically impossible for the EU to go to war with the US. They’ll do lots of protesting but that’ll be about it.
The US isn’t just going to straight up invade anyway. There’s lots of political this and that but it does want to keep the current world order to some degree.
It's perfectly possible for the EU to have a war with the US. Wars take time. The EU has better heavy industry, better ability to replace destroyed ships etc.
If we're going to have a war it will probably last at least half a decade, probably a little bit more. What you say of the EU could also be said of the US at the time of the attack on Pearl Harbour in 1941.
If we weren't open to the possibility, we wouldn't be sending tripwire forces to Greenland, as we currently are.
I don't think Europe is willing to go all out war over Greenland, especially with Russia pushing from the East.
I can imagine it happening after many years, maybe after half a decade they’ll have built up a sizable military and political will to start considering military action.
Yes. The beginning phases of the war-- i.e. the first five years or so, would probably be limited to sea drones sinking EU and US shipping, with neither coming near the other's coast. There could be interesting actions around the Azores and Canary Islands, with the EU perhaps needing to do unconventional stuff to defend these.
NATO is practically dead since beginning of 2025 - there are already countries in Europe willing to form alliance with China.
That’s just talk for whatever imagined political leverage that probably won’t work with Trump.
When you say "right" are you talking about USA right or European right?
Any links?
In Romania, far right figures have gone as far as calling for 2026 to be named "The Year of America" in Romania.
It's hilarious because the same types are yelling about Making Romania Great Again, "truly sovereign" (whatever that means) and not subordinate to other states.
It means subservient to a single state: Russia.
And it won’t come back for at least a generation.
The incandescent rage I have for my countrymen is bottomless.
Incandescent or incessant?
I'm sympathetic to the position that a lot of people just didn't pay attention before voting in the '24 election and voted purely off of some incomprehensibly puerile vibes, but the complete apathy I'm still seeing is equal parts profoundly tragic and utterly crazy-making.
Even if the US backs down, the transatlantic coziness that's felt like a permanent fixture all my life is just gone. And if we don't back down, God help everybody.
Maybe part of the problem is faith in the courts to sort this all out. Notoriously, they take forever.
I'm going to buy a NAAGGA hat.
yeah that's what tends to happen when you make several credible threats to invade & seize someone's sovereign territory
Hoping that American voters and politicians learn from this.
They won't, I genuinely believe the vast majority of Americans will call for war, invasion, etc if the price of their "treats" (TVs, cars, gas, ...) gets too out of reach.
Consumer prices are the only category that hasn't gone up in price in the last couple of decades. It's basically the only little "treat" you can look forward to while toiling away for peanuts
They won’t. Maga loooves it. They love the deportations and tariffs too. This is my impression from observing my in laws over the holidays. I am not optimistic about the future. This is what a failed education system gets you.
I just cannot stomach the number of people who apparently value nothing except displays of performative cruelty and childish tantrums.
There's been a significant shift of an "ow-I-touched-the-stove" variety towards sanity among independents, but it's a Problem that some significant double-digit percentage of the nation just plain likes this violent self-destructive flailing, and will reward anything as long as it makes them feel like somebody is getting hurt.
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