I see some tools like this that keep popping up (don't mean that in a bad way! it's clearly exciting and the README itself compares itself to similar tools). however, for coordination strategies like this, aren't you always having to use token-based pricing via some API Key? that's the largest think that holds me personally back from getting into something like these frameworks. With a claude code max plan, all my delegation and coordination has to be done within a session (between some agents) with persisted artifacts. Unless I'm missing something that has changed?
Perhaps it's all moot as the usage you get from a subscription plan will eventually no longer be subsidized. Also, I have to wonder about what layers of coordination done externally to a model can be persistently better than within tool coordination? Like, with an anthropic feature like agent teams, I feel like it might be tough to beat anthropic native coordination of various Claude sessions because they might have better internal tool and standards awareness, which makes feeling like plugging something like this more difficult unless one's goal is to plug something like this into an open source model.
Geniunely curious how other people are thinking about this!!
Edit: I actually see that this tool claims that it can run within your existing Claude Code subscription, so now I'm extra interested.
If you invoke Claude Code with --input-format stream-json --output-format stream-json, you can use it headlessly. I built a personal UI / orchestration framework around it. Most features are available, but not exactly all (e.g. there is no way to undo via this protocol, but you can still do it manually by terminating / editing the session file / resuming). Other agentic software has similar features (Codex uses JSON-RPC, Copilot CLI has ACP which is also based on JSON-RPC).
disclaimer: I work on a different project in the space but got excited by your comment
DeepSteve (deepsteve.com) has a similar premise: it spawns Claude Code processes and attaches terminals to them in a browser UI, so you can automate coordination in ways a regular terminal can’t: Spawning new agents from GitHub issues, coordinating tasks via inter-agent chat, modifying its own UI, terminals that fork themselves.
Re: native vs external orchestration, I think the external layer matters precisely because it doesn’t have to replicate traditional company hierarchies. I’m less interested in “AI org chart” setups like gstack (we don’t have to bring antiquated corporate hierarchies with us) and more in hackable, flat coordination where agents talk to each other via MCP and you decide the topology yourself.
I was intrigued and had a look at deepsteve.com, but I couldn't figure the website out. I'm guessing it won't give you any information about it until you install it?
Deepsteve is a node server that runs on your machine, so the website is designed to look like DeepSteve's UI. You really just access it at localhost:3000 in your browser, not via deepsteve.com
I see some tools like this that keep popping up (don't mean that in a bad way! it's clearly exciting and the README itself compares itself to similar tools). however, for coordination strategies like this, aren't you always having to use token-based pricing via some API Key? that's the largest think that holds me personally back from getting into something like these frameworks. With a claude code max plan, all my delegation and coordination has to be done within a session (between some agents) with persisted artifacts. Unless I'm missing something that has changed?
Perhaps it's all moot as the usage you get from a subscription plan will eventually no longer be subsidized. Also, I have to wonder about what layers of coordination done externally to a model can be persistently better than within tool coordination? Like, with an anthropic feature like agent teams, I feel like it might be tough to beat anthropic native coordination of various Claude sessions because they might have better internal tool and standards awareness, which makes feeling like plugging something like this more difficult unless one's goal is to plug something like this into an open source model.
Geniunely curious how other people are thinking about this!!
Edit: I actually see that this tool claims that it can run within your existing Claude Code subscription, so now I'm extra interested.
If you invoke Claude Code with --input-format stream-json --output-format stream-json, you can use it headlessly. I built a personal UI / orchestration framework around it. Most features are available, but not exactly all (e.g. there is no way to undo via this protocol, but you can still do it manually by terminating / editing the session file / resuming). Other agentic software has similar features (Codex uses JSON-RPC, Copilot CLI has ACP which is also based on JSON-RPC).
disclaimer: I work on a different project in the space but got excited by your comment
DeepSteve (deepsteve.com) has a similar premise: it spawns Claude Code processes and attaches terminals to them in a browser UI, so you can automate coordination in ways a regular terminal can’t: Spawning new agents from GitHub issues, coordinating tasks via inter-agent chat, modifying its own UI, terminals that fork themselves.
Re: native vs external orchestration, I think the external layer matters precisely because it doesn’t have to replicate traditional company hierarchies. I’m less interested in “AI org chart” setups like gstack (we don’t have to bring antiquated corporate hierarchies with us) and more in hackable, flat coordination where agents talk to each other via MCP and you decide the topology yourself.
I was intrigued and had a look at deepsteve.com, but I couldn't figure the website out. I'm guessing it won't give you any information about it until you install it?
Thanks for the feedback.
Deepsteve is a node server that runs on your machine, so the website is designed to look like DeepSteve's UI. You really just access it at localhost:3000 in your browser, not via deepsteve.com
But now I can see how that would be confusing.
Sort of feels like gastown enterprise edition
Does anyone have an example of input, output, and cost?
Interesting, what are the benefits and drawbacks you've found developing and using it yourself?
Nifty, looks like the enterprise edition of OpenClaw, kinda. Also, it looks token hungry!
But does it work? and well?
It doesn't.
What did you try? What did it do?
Your know the answer to this question haha.