This is incredibly impressive, many of this things have been missing for forever! I remember the first time I couldn't figure out how do a proper responsive accordion, it was with bootstrap 1, released in 2011 !! Today it's still not properly solved (until now?).
Many of thing things belong in css no in js, but this has been the pattern with so many things in the web
1) web needs evolve into more complex needs
2) hacky js/css implementation and workarounds
3) gets implemented as css standard
This is a not so hacky step 2. Really impressive,
I would have thunk that if this was actually possible someone would have done it already, apparently not, at some point I really want to understand what's the real insight in the library, their https://github.com/chenglou/pretext/blob/main/RESEARCH.md is interesting, they seem to have just done the hard work, of browser discrepancies to the last detail of what does an emoji measure in each browser, hope this is not a maintenance nightmare.
All in all this will push the web forward no doubt.
The problem it solves is efficiently calculating the width/height of some text on a web page, without actually rendering that text to the page first (very expensive).
It does that by pre-calculating the width/height of individual segments - think words - and caching those. Then it implements the full algorithm for how browsers construct text strings by line-wrapping those segments using custom code.
This is absurdly hard because of the many different types of wrapping and characters (emoji, Chinese, etc) that need to be taken into account - plus the fact that different browsers (in particular Safari) have slight differences in their rendering algorithms.
Agreed! Text layout engines are stupidly hard. You start out thinking "It's a hard task, but I can do it" and then 3 months later you find yourself in a corner screaming "Why, Chinese? Why do you need to rotate your punctuation differently when you render in columns??"
I had struggled so much to measure text and number of lines when creating dynamic subtitles for remotion videos, not sure if it was my incompetence or a complexity with the DOM itself. I feel hopeful this will make it much easier :-)
Quick overview of pretext: if you want to layout text on the web, you have to use canvas.measureText API and implement line-breaking / segmentation / RTL yourself.
Pretext makes this easier. Just pass the text and text properties (font, color, size, etc) into a pure JS API and it layouts the content into given viewport dimension.
Earlier you'll have to either use measureText or ship harbuzz to browser somehow. I guess pretext is not a technical breakthrough, just the right things assembled to make layouting as a pure JS API.
I have one question though: how is this different from Skia-wasm / Canvaskit? Skia already has sophisticated API to layout multiline text and it also is a pure algorithmic API.
Love this. I especially liked shape based reflow example.
This is something I've been thinking for ages and would love to add to Ensō (enso.sonnet.io), purely because it would allow me to apply better caret transitions between the lines of text.
(I'm not gonna do that because I'm trying to keep it simple, but it's a strong temptation)
Now a CSS tangent: regarding the accordion example from the site (https://chenglou.me/pretext/accordion), this can be solved with pure CSS (and then perhaps a JS fallback) using the `interpolate-size` property.
This is awesome! I had this problem when building a datagrid where cells would dynamically render textarea. IIRC I ended up doing a simple canvas measurement, but I had all the text and font properties static, and even then it was hellish to get it right.
Problem: DOM-based text measurement (getBoundingClientRect, offsetHeight)
forces synchronous layout reflow. When components independently measure text,
each measurement triggers a reflow of the entire document. This creates
read/write interleaving that can cost 30ms+ per frame for 500 text blocks.
Solution: two-phase measurement centered around canvas measureText.
prepare(text, font) — segments text via Intl.Segmenter, measures each word
via canvas, caches widths, and does one cached DOM calibration read per
font when emoji correction is needed. Call once when text first appears.
layout(prepared, maxWidth, lineHeight) — walks cached word widths with pure
arithmetic to count lines and compute height. Call on every resize.
~0.0002ms per text.
I said it elsewhere but will repeat it here:
This is incredibly impressive, many of this things have been missing for forever! I remember the first time I couldn't figure out how do a proper responsive accordion, it was with bootstrap 1, released in 2011 !! Today it's still not properly solved (until now?).
Many of thing things belong in css no in js, but this has been the pattern with so many things in the web
1) web needs evolve into more complex needs 2) hacky js/css implementation and workarounds 3) gets implemented as css standard
This is a not so hacky step 2. Really impressive,
I would have thunk that if this was actually possible someone would have done it already, apparently not, at some point I really want to understand what's the real insight in the library, their https://github.com/chenglou/pretext/blob/main/RESEARCH.md is interesting, they seem to have just done the hard work, of browser discrepancies to the last detail of what does an emoji measure in each browser, hope this is not a maintenance nightmare.
All in all this will push the web forward no doubt.
This thing is very impressive.
The problem it solves is efficiently calculating the width/height of some text on a web page, without actually rendering that text to the page first (very expensive).
It does that by pre-calculating the width/height of individual segments - think words - and caching those. Then it implements the full algorithm for how browsers construct text strings by line-wrapping those segments using custom code.
This is absurdly hard because of the many different types of wrapping and characters (emoji, Chinese, etc) that need to be taken into account - plus the fact that different browsers (in particular Safari) have slight differences in their rendering algorithms.
It tests the resulting library against real browsers using a wide variety of long text documents, see https://github.com/chenglou/pretext/tree/main/corpora and https://github.com/chenglou/pretext/blob/main/pages/accuracy...
> This thing is very impressive.
Agreed! Text layout engines are stupidly hard. You start out thinking "It's a hard task, but I can do it" and then 3 months later you find yourself in a corner screaming "Why, Chinese? Why do you need to rotate your punctuation differently when you render in columns??"
This effort feeds back to the DOM, making it far more useful than my efforts which are confined to rendering multiline text on a canvas - for example: https://scrawl-v8.rikweb.org.uk/demo/canvas-206.html
I had struggled so much to measure text and number of lines when creating dynamic subtitles for remotion videos, not sure if it was my incompetence or a complexity with the DOM itself. I feel hopeful this will make it much easier :-)
Quick overview of pretext: if you want to layout text on the web, you have to use canvas.measureText API and implement line-breaking / segmentation / RTL yourself.
Pretext makes this easier. Just pass the text and text properties (font, color, size, etc) into a pure JS API and it layouts the content into given viewport dimension.
Earlier you'll have to either use measureText or ship harbuzz to browser somehow. I guess pretext is not a technical breakthrough, just the right things assembled to make layouting as a pure JS API.
I have one question though: how is this different from Skia-wasm / Canvaskit? Skia already has sophisticated API to layout multiline text and it also is a pure algorithmic API.
If the author is right, this is going to be huge for GUI web frameworks and for future rich text editors.
> how is this different from Skia-wasm
It’s not wasm?
Love this. I especially liked shape based reflow example.
This is something I've been thinking for ages and would love to add to Ensō (enso.sonnet.io), purely because it would allow me to apply better caret transitions between the lines of text.
(I'm not gonna do that because I'm trying to keep it simple, but it's a strong temptation)
Now a CSS tangent: regarding the accordion example from the site (https://chenglou.me/pretext/accordion), this can be solved with pure CSS (and then perhaps a JS fallback) using the `interpolate-size` property.
https://www.joshwcomeau.com/snippets/html/interpolate-size/
Regarding the text bubbles problem (https://chenglou.me/pretext/bubbles), you can use `text-wrap: balance | pretty` to achieve the same result.
(`balance` IIRC evens out the # of lines)
This is awesome! I had this problem when building a datagrid where cells would dynamically render textarea. IIRC I ended up doing a simple canvas measurement, but I had all the text and font properties static, and even then it was hellish to get it right.
Has someone ever found a good solution for long / infinite lists / grids virtualization not breaking browsers native text search?
Maybe for this we need a new web "Search" API instead of JS. Not sure it can be done otherwise without browser's help.
Some details on how it works from a code comment:
Problem: DOM-based text measurement (getBoundingClientRect, offsetHeight) forces synchronous layout reflow. When components independently measure text, each measurement triggers a reflow of the entire document. This creates read/write interleaving that can cost 30ms+ per frame for 500 text blocks.
Solution: two-phase measurement centered around canvas measureText.
prepare(text, font) — segments text via Intl.Segmenter, measures each word via canvas, caches widths, and does one cached DOM calibration read per font when emoji correction is needed. Call once when text first appears.
layout(prepared, maxWidth, lineHeight) — walks cached word widths with pure arithmetic to count lines and compute height. Call on every resize. ~0.0002ms per text.
https://github.com/chenglou/pretext/blob/main/src/layout.ts
What about hyphenization?
That's in there too: https://github.com/chenglou/pretext/blob/53a065b8a345fc29831...
Regardless of the subject matter, the tweets announcing this are a masterclass in demoing why an architectural/platform improvement can be impactful.