I’m ready for a modern form of representation that isn’t constrained by how many people an old building can hold. I wish small groups could have a representative with a proportionally small fraction of voting power.
Well then puts some bullets in the chamber because they’re not going to give up their power grabs, the ruling class will have to be struck down before they’ll allow you to be represented fairly.
Gerrymandering is a deal with the devil. You need to be really sure of your polling. You theoretically get more districts with a majority for your party, but the majority in each of those districts is thinner than it was before. If something bad happens and there is a wave for the other party, you lose more seats than you would have otherwise.
I'm not sure how this is any different from before. Each person gets one vote. And if the district has a different number, that doesn't mean the voter is cut out of the races. The headline doesn't make sense to me at all.
This is true for a direct democracy, but for a representative democracy like the US (and many other countries) there's more nuance. Combined with first past the post voting, there's a lot of room for suppression of voices that are not aligned with those already in power.
For say something like the state legislature race in a state, they count up all the seats they have won in each district, and whichever party has won the most seats wins the race. Voters are therefore put in buckets (districts) and their votes are counted in aggregate.
This allows a process called "gerrymandering" to redraw district boundaries arbitrarily. So if there is say a democratic-party majority voting bloc in a particular area, I can redraw the surrounding districts to split that geographic area into many parts, so their votes get split across multiple districts and hence "diluted".
The voting rights act asserted this is a form of voter suppression. Specifically related to black voter suppression, if a state is say 40% black by population and they have no black representatives, it warrants a closer look as to why.
I hope that wasn't too confusing of an explanation. I'm not from the US but I'm quite interested in these things.
At the risk of raising the ire of the anti-AI crowd, this is exactly the kind of knowledge gap that AI can easily handle. Just point any AI at an article like this and say “explain this”. You don’t have to wait for someone else to provide a bespoke answer just for you.
As a resident anti-AI curmudgeon, you're basically saying "just google it" but nowadays, LLMs store a lot of common-sense answers to plain-language questions, and this is probably a fine use for that. That said, I think there's value in asking questions like this. Conversation is how humans learn.
There's also value in actually doing the work. It might be googling but reading a few sources might get you some background info too that you'll absolutely be lacking when asking an LLM
Let’s say you’re a democrat (or republican, w/e) who lives in a district that’s 50-50 dem/rep. Then maps get redrawn so your district is 80-20. Is your vote worth the same as it was before? Is it a good or bad thing that only ~10% of the population’s vote matters?
The voting rights act was a recognition that there's something wrong if a state with 10 congressional representatives and 30% black population ends up with only 1 or even 0 black representatives. That was often done by drawing districts such that the 30% of black voters are diluted by the 70% white voters.
The supreme court has called this "racial gerrymandering" which is a bit rich considering they previously ruled that gerrymandering itself was just fine. Apparently, only fine when it has partisan benefits.
Either way, the solution here is a tool not available when the VRA was passed, and that's fair ungerrymandered maps. There are tons of algorithms that produce fair maps, certainly much more fair maps vs the current gerrymandered maps. We even have algorithms that can measure the level of gerrymandering.
An anti-gerrymandering bill would be good for everyone and should be supported at the federal level. The only people it's not good for is incumbents.
I'm not a fan of proportional representation as commonly implemented, but think it is important that the results of an election fairly represent the preferences of the voters.
I can only assume you're being deliberately obtuse since we can very plainly see that gerrymandering directly changes who gets elected. It doesn't even matter if you understand how, the results are blatantly obvious. They can carve up a state such that one party sends proportionally fewer representatives than it's total vote would imply.
I’m ready for a modern form of representation that isn’t constrained by how many people an old building can hold. I wish small groups could have a representative with a proportionally small fraction of voting power.
Well then puts some bullets in the chamber because they’re not going to give up their power grabs, the ruling class will have to be struck down before they’ll allow you to be represented fairly.
State ballot measures allow passing laws directly by citizen vote. Peaceful change is possible.
One side could grow the house fairly easily. There are actual proposals from current members.
Gerrymandering is a deal with the devil. You need to be really sure of your polling. You theoretically get more districts with a majority for your party, but the majority in each of those districts is thinner than it was before. If something bad happens and there is a wave for the other party, you lose more seats than you would have otherwise.
And this is modern, post-gingrich gerrymandering.
Before that both sides worked together (mostly) to produce very safe districts.
People keep saying “they have been doing this forever “, but not like this.
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I'm not sure how this is any different from before. Each person gets one vote. And if the district has a different number, that doesn't mean the voter is cut out of the races. The headline doesn't make sense to me at all.
This is true for a direct democracy, but for a representative democracy like the US (and many other countries) there's more nuance. Combined with first past the post voting, there's a lot of room for suppression of voices that are not aligned with those already in power.
For say something like the state legislature race in a state, they count up all the seats they have won in each district, and whichever party has won the most seats wins the race. Voters are therefore put in buckets (districts) and their votes are counted in aggregate.
This allows a process called "gerrymandering" to redraw district boundaries arbitrarily. So if there is say a democratic-party majority voting bloc in a particular area, I can redraw the surrounding districts to split that geographic area into many parts, so their votes get split across multiple districts and hence "diluted".
The voting rights act asserted this is a form of voter suppression. Specifically related to black voter suppression, if a state is say 40% black by population and they have no black representatives, it warrants a closer look as to why.
I hope that wasn't too confusing of an explanation. I'm not from the US but I'm quite interested in these things.
Which state elects the governor via anything other than the total popular vote?
That's a good point, and I've updated my comment. Thanks!
At the risk of raising the ire of the anti-AI crowd, this is exactly the kind of knowledge gap that AI can easily handle. Just point any AI at an article like this and say “explain this”. You don’t have to wait for someone else to provide a bespoke answer just for you.
You can have the answer if you want it.
As a resident anti-AI curmudgeon, you're basically saying "just google it" but nowadays, LLMs store a lot of common-sense answers to plain-language questions, and this is probably a fine use for that. That said, I think there's value in asking questions like this. Conversation is how humans learn.
There's also value in actually doing the work. It might be googling but reading a few sources might get you some background info too that you'll absolutely be lacking when asking an LLM
Let’s say you’re a democrat (or republican, w/e) who lives in a district that’s 50-50 dem/rep. Then maps get redrawn so your district is 80-20. Is your vote worth the same as it was before? Is it a good or bad thing that only ~10% of the population’s vote matters?
The voting rights act was a recognition that there's something wrong if a state with 10 congressional representatives and 30% black population ends up with only 1 or even 0 black representatives. That was often done by drawing districts such that the 30% of black voters are diluted by the 70% white voters.
The supreme court has called this "racial gerrymandering" which is a bit rich considering they previously ruled that gerrymandering itself was just fine. Apparently, only fine when it has partisan benefits.
Either way, the solution here is a tool not available when the VRA was passed, and that's fair ungerrymandered maps. There are tons of algorithms that produce fair maps, certainly much more fair maps vs the current gerrymandered maps. We even have algorithms that can measure the level of gerrymandering.
An anti-gerrymandering bill would be good for everyone and should be supported at the federal level. The only people it's not good for is incumbents.
I'm not a fan of proportional representation as commonly implemented, but think it is important that the results of an election fairly represent the preferences of the voters.
What do you dislike about the common proportional representation models?
I can only assume you're being deliberately obtuse since we can very plainly see that gerrymandering directly changes who gets elected. It doesn't even matter if you understand how, the results are blatantly obvious. They can carve up a state such that one party sends proportionally fewer representatives than it's total vote would imply.