OK, so they might want to review AI models - for what exactly? Is it to make sure that they have been properly lobotomized to become incapable of software security work? Is it to make sure that they only give true and factually accurate information (especially at a time where clearly only the government disseminates facts and truths to the public)? A properly compensated and sufficiently eloquent spin doctor can reframe almost anything as "security".
Given the erratic course of the current US administration, I have absolutely no idea what to actually expect here.
I assumed it was something like holding any new models for ransom. Pay Trump some crypto, and it gets s released. I suppose Trump could work both ends, competitors could bid on delaying someone else's model.
Media always covers this administration as though it is normal, and making decisions based on rational policy analysis. Which never makes any sense, because that's not how this White House makes decisions.
Trump wants more bribes, and the AI industry has all the money right now. So, he reckons he's owed a cut. The thing about a gangster with a protection racket is they're never going to stop. You pay them once, that just proves to them that you'll pay. All the tech titans lined up to kiss the ring, and now they're Trump's bitch forever.
The AI alas is part of reality, is programmed to assess truth (except Grok).
There is no greater offense to this administration. This isn't just the usual grift and fury: this is personal, that the AI is allowed to say words that are not approved, not in favor of whatever the whim of the day is.
By the loose alliances of world corrupting sinister forces focused on destruction of reality. That seeks Putinlandia Adam Curtis style HyperNormalization destruction of reality, to leave us all unmoored and guessing. That wants us weak believing in nothing.
This isn't just an alt-reality twist that forces like RFK are trying to create: it's an anti-reality. Something inherently against meaning itself.
I live in Wyoming. My Senators saw this coming a year ago. Sacks may be stupid enough to believe his role was straightforward. But I don’t believe for second this outcome wasn’t, if not planned, looked forward to as an upside.
It is fascinating that technologists thought they'd use demagogues as a vehicle for change that they would like to see, but demagogues used technologists as a vehicle for their desired change. In the end, the more government-savvy operators triumphed and the rest sort of flamed out. I'm actually quite surprised Elon Musk got whacked. With his companies's success ultimately relying on varying degrees of how well he used US Government policy I expected him to be quite skilled at navigating it behind the scenes. After all, Tesla made it through tough times using green credits, and SpaceX can fly because he got Starlink protected under the DoD umbrella. So there's some degree of savvy there.
I suppose you have to know when you're Lee Iacocca and when you're Henry Ford II. No matter what you do, one's in the family, and the other isn't, so if you're not in the family you'd better know that.
I was quite eager to see if the chaos of this admin would cause accidental positive change. Submitted a petition via deregulation.gov to reduce the fund requirements for nuclear power plants. Who knows, might have worked. Didn't, but might've! Ah well, 3 more years and then we're clear.
David Sacks should never been let in the White House due to what appeared to be problematic Russian links a few years back.
He seemed almost to be in a desperate panic over Ukraine and Russian sanctions which smelled like he had Russian investments or commitments that the escalation of sanctions put him in a bad position.
It wasn't just that he may have been a useful idiot repeating Russian/Putin talking points, he seemed to have some personal skin in the game.
Once they realized that DoW had locked themselves out of Mythos because of their beef with Anthropic, Trump invited Anthropic to the White House, and in that meeting they convinced Trump that Mythos is a big deal, and that China is distilling their models.
Excited to have a powerful tool, now they are saying it should be used by Government agencies first, and therefore, regulation.
Key takeaway: when defense types hear something is DANGEROUS, they want more of it. That's the outcome of discussing x-risk with the federal government. "Existential risk? That sounds GREAT! How can we get more of that, make it more dangerous?"
Yeah, it’s the same reason that Alex Karp goes on those unhinged apocalyptic rants about Palantir. It’s not for public consumption, it’s for defense insiders. The old logic prevails: a world destroying system is bound to exist, so WE must control it. Spare no expense.
> The old logic prevails: a world destroying system is bound to exist, so WE must control it. Spare no expense.
Except it is both true AND it works. Keeping your foot down on who can produce weapons-grade fissile materials is working out pretty damn well so far.
And the Russo-Ukranian War is proving any idiot with a few rubles can cobble together incredibly efficient combat drones. We need to be probing the limits of that yesterday.
It can both feel bad and be the right thing to do because the alternatives are worse.
The OP speculates on why the Trump administration would change direction. Like so many they omit the reason staring everyone in the face: It's a way to acquire more power and wealth for Trump and allies, and more leverage.
AI is the highest growth industry in the world, and the most powerful technological change. Any democratic government would seek to control and harness such a thing to the public interest, and the Trump administration's general vision of the democratic public interest is more power for the office of the POTUS. Imagine the power, wealth, and leverage of controlling AI models and virtually any aspect of them by being able to control their release and content. Imagine the control over content in the US and worldwide, controlling the output of almost every LLM.
There had to have been a trigger that caused the shift, even if that trigger was a momentum threshold...which had to manifest as signal.
What didn't happen was irrational and self-oblivious leadership noticing they had been acting irrationally for years. "the potential" of wealth or power was present long before this shift.
> Anthropic’s enemies in the Pentagon, who had, months prior, convinced Trump that Anthropic was “woke” and should be banned for government use.
That people in government speak like this is utterly absurd. The quote from Donald Trump's follow up tweet on t'social is considerably worse.
This was all due to Antropic not wanting to take on a military contract, right? Or is it suggested its more to do with Mythos, but why would it be, if they never released it.
> This was all due to Antropic not wanting to take on a military contract, right?
No, they already had a contract (since 2024, revisited/renewed by the Trump admin in mid-2025) which included military usage. That contract, though, had some language about what Claude couldn't be used for, ostensibly because Anthropic was nervous about accuracy in lethal contexts. Hegseth and others were unhappy with the restrictions and wanted to just redo the contract to remove them. Anthropic didn't want that, at least with current models. Then everything blew up. Zvi has some great writeups with more than you probably want to know.
You have to distinguish between political rhetoric (“woke”) and the substance of the dispute
The substance: traditionally, defense contracts don’t have clauses in them limiting what the military can do with the acquired technology. If Boeing or Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumann sell a missile system to the Pentagon, they don’t try to impose contractual limits on who the Pentagon can fire the missiles at. Now, for some types of contracts - e.g. contracts to provide personnel - the Pentagon is used to contractual terms limiting uses - but not for hardware or software used in weapons systems / military planning / etc.
Along comes Anthropic, who argue AI is a fundamentally different technology, to which the old rules shouldn’t apply - they want contractual terms prohibiting certain uses (autonomous weapon systems without human in loop; domestic mass surveillance). The Biden admin buys the argument and agrees to those novel contractual terms. The Trump admin takes over and objects to them, demands they be renegotiated. I think it was primarily a matter of principle and power-“software vendors don’t get to tell us what we can and can’t do”-rather than some immediate plan to do things the contract prohibits.
OpenAI negotiated a contract which replicated those terms-but with the proviso that the terms only apply insofar as they reiterate existing legal limits. Anthropic was objecting to that as a meaningless fudge-“we promise not to do X if X is illegal” is very weak, especially when contracting with the government-Congress could change the law tomorrow, or the government’s lawyers could change their interpretation of it, or an appellate court decision could impose a new understanding of it.
> Congress could change the law tomorrow, or the government’s lawyers could change their interpretation of it, or an appellate court decision could impose a new understanding of it.
And then it becomes legal. It’s not an empty argument, it simply means “someone higher than you took an initiative”.
I think in practice contracts to provide civilian personnel to the Pentagon contain clauses limiting the nature and location of the work - the Pentagon can’t contract for a clerical assistant in DC and then demand they go to Iraq to provide physical security - it violates the nature of the agreed work and the agreed location.
But contracts for personnel generally don’t contain restrictions on use beyond that. If the clerical assistant for DC is asked to provide clerical help to a military planning team who are planning an assault on Chicago, they (and their employer) don’t have legal grounds to refuse. If you are contracted to provide clerical assistance to military planners, you can’t legally say “Baghdad is fine, but Chicago is a no”. Saying that is a breach of contract-unless the courts rule that planning the assault was itself illegal, and I doubt current SCOTUS majority would
legally and in practice, they cannot. Even considering the 4th amendment, in a time of war the military can commandeer a service as long as they are compensated.
Congress passing a changed law, and it holding up in court is how it's supposed to work. The people's reps (specifics interpreted by the courts) should be the ones that set the standard on as a country what type of weapons systems we want to deploy vs. what is immoral. Precedent is nerve agent weapons, landmines, etc.
Honestly, Anthropic's stance feels like an oligarch stance. We have better morals than the American people, we will decide what weapons systems the military will use or not use.
It's perfectly understandable if they don't want to sell weapons to the government. That is a noble thing. But Anthropic wanted that DoW money and wanted to determine what is moral vs. not
Those acts are allowed by Anthropic’s terms-they aren’t domestic mass surveillance, and (to the best of my knowledge) any AI targeting decisions were approved by a human in the loop.
Anthropic’s terms weren’t “don’t do anything illegal” they were “here are two highly specific things which you aren’t allowed to, whether they are legal or not”
do you really think the bombings and kidnappings are new as of 2024? You think what we have been doing in the middle east and Guantanamo bay since 2001 are moral?
I'm struck by the wild recklessness and unrestrained power of these administration employees. Musk is the most prominent example. I've never even heard of Sacks until now. If it's any consolation these guys crashing and burning seems to be the rule. Trump likes results and hates headaches.
One exception is Jared Isaacman the billionaire head of NASA who experienced a bit of a roller coaster. Unlike the previous 2 i think he will actually do a good job.
One thing that stands out about Trump is how accessible he is. Apparently he takes cold calls and will listen to ideas from anyone (this includes laura loomer, but still).
> If everyone can call the president, does it matter if anyone does? It sounds like a koan but isn’t that far from reality. Donald Trump’s personal cellphone number has been making the rounds among Washington reporters, dozens of whom have used it over the past few weeks to score brief interview after brief interview with the leader of the free world about his ongoing war with Iran. A partial list of media organizations that have published “exclusive” or “scoop”-y quotes after hitting up Trump’s iPhone includes leading print publications like the New York Times, TV networks (ABC, NBC, PBS, and CNN), foreign newspapers (the Daily Telegraph and Times of Israel), and no fewer than four outlets with Washington in their names (the Post, Examiner, Reporter, and Free Beacon).
> A comedian pretending to be Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., says he talked on the phone with President Donald Trump earlier this week in an epic recorded prank call during which the president discussed a range of policy topics.
Allegedly he'll pick up the phone even for numbers he doesn't recognise. I guess to convince him you have to make it clear how your idea will increase the glory and honour of Donald J Trump.
In all seriousness i think that combo is better then a senior citizen who can barely be reached by his own advisors and is unclear how much of the situation he actually understands. (with Trump it's either zero, Fox News or 4d chess depending on who you ask, but the answer will always be given with confidence).
Founder and investor FOMO has reached levels of desperation and moral emptiness never seen before. It's so pervasive and powerful that it's unironically responsible for pretty much everything bad in the US over the past 5 years.
Because when you have billions of dollars you have a lot of leverage. He could create another company that's whole mission is to just be a thorn in the side of your company just out of spite
I guess I'm the lone person who likes Sacks here.
I do think it's probably true that his influence flagged after Mythos. But he'd already been moved to the science board when that dropped.
It's very over stated and looking to act like he was fired, which he wasn't.
An article about a person 'falling out of favor' is silly but I guess that's the vibe of the administration so fair enough.
OK, so they might want to review AI models - for what exactly? Is it to make sure that they have been properly lobotomized to become incapable of software security work? Is it to make sure that they only give true and factually accurate information (especially at a time where clearly only the government disseminates facts and truths to the public)? A properly compensated and sufficiently eloquent spin doctor can reframe almost anything as "security".
Given the erratic course of the current US administration, I have absolutely no idea what to actually expect here.
I assumed it was something like holding any new models for ransom. Pay Trump some crypto, and it gets s released. I suppose Trump could work both ends, competitors could bid on delaying someone else's model.
https://archive.is/Hpc5D
Media always covers this administration as though it is normal, and making decisions based on rational policy analysis. Which never makes any sense, because that's not how this White House makes decisions.
Trump wants more bribes, and the AI industry has all the money right now. So, he reckons he's owed a cut. The thing about a gangster with a protection racket is they're never going to stop. You pay them once, that just proves to them that you'll pay. All the tech titans lined up to kiss the ring, and now they're Trump's bitch forever.
The AI alas is part of reality, is programmed to assess truth (except Grok).
There is no greater offense to this administration. This isn't just the usual grift and fury: this is personal, that the AI is allowed to say words that are not approved, not in favor of whatever the whim of the day is.
By the loose alliances of world corrupting sinister forces focused on destruction of reality. That seeks Putinlandia Adam Curtis style HyperNormalization destruction of reality, to leave us all unmoored and guessing. That wants us weak believing in nothing.
This isn't just an alt-reality twist that forces like RFK are trying to create: it's an anti-reality. Something inherently against meaning itself.
I live in Wyoming. My Senators saw this coming a year ago. Sacks may be stupid enough to believe his role was straightforward. But I don’t believe for second this outcome wasn’t, if not planned, looked forward to as an upside.
It is fascinating that technologists thought they'd use demagogues as a vehicle for change that they would like to see, but demagogues used technologists as a vehicle for their desired change. In the end, the more government-savvy operators triumphed and the rest sort of flamed out. I'm actually quite surprised Elon Musk got whacked. With his companies's success ultimately relying on varying degrees of how well he used US Government policy I expected him to be quite skilled at navigating it behind the scenes. After all, Tesla made it through tough times using green credits, and SpaceX can fly because he got Starlink protected under the DoD umbrella. So there's some degree of savvy there.
I suppose you have to know when you're Lee Iacocca and when you're Henry Ford II. No matter what you do, one's in the family, and the other isn't, so if you're not in the family you'd better know that.
I was quite eager to see if the chaos of this admin would cause accidental positive change. Submitted a petition via deregulation.gov to reduce the fund requirements for nuclear power plants. Who knows, might have worked. Didn't, but might've! Ah well, 3 more years and then we're clear.
David Sacks should never been let in the White House due to what appeared to be problematic Russian links a few years back.
He seemed almost to be in a desperate panic over Ukraine and Russian sanctions which smelled like he had Russian investments or commitments that the escalation of sanctions put him in a bad position.
It wasn't just that he may have been a useful idiot repeating Russian/Putin talking points, he seemed to have some personal skin in the game.
Mythos. It's all about Mythos.
Once they realized that DoW had locked themselves out of Mythos because of their beef with Anthropic, Trump invited Anthropic to the White House, and in that meeting they convinced Trump that Mythos is a big deal, and that China is distilling their models.
Excited to have a powerful tool, now they are saying it should be used by Government agencies first, and therefore, regulation.
Key takeaway: when defense types hear something is DANGEROUS, they want more of it. That's the outcome of discussing x-risk with the federal government. "Existential risk? That sounds GREAT! How can we get more of that, make it more dangerous?"
Yeah, it’s the same reason that Alex Karp goes on those unhinged apocalyptic rants about Palantir. It’s not for public consumption, it’s for defense insiders. The old logic prevails: a world destroying system is bound to exist, so WE must control it. Spare no expense.
> The old logic prevails: a world destroying system is bound to exist, so WE must control it. Spare no expense.
Except it is both true AND it works. Keeping your foot down on who can produce weapons-grade fissile materials is working out pretty damn well so far.
And the Russo-Ukranian War is proving any idiot with a few rubles can cobble together incredibly efficient combat drones. We need to be probing the limits of that yesterday.
It can both feel bad and be the right thing to do because the alternatives are worse.
It's hilarious, terrifying, and weirdly reassuring that these insiders are dumb enough to fall for this shit.
> when defense types hear something is DANGEROUS, they want more of it
I have been doing defense work for almost 30 years and in my experience that is the opposite of true.
I would imagine that heightened fear/threat results in increased budgets. Is that not the case?
The way this forum views the DoD and contracting makes me chuckle on a weekly basis.
*DoD, don’t use the regime’s illegitimate rebrand.
DoW is much more accurate for how it's being used. Are you one to continue using Twitter instead of calling it X?
The OP speculates on why the Trump administration would change direction. Like so many they omit the reason staring everyone in the face: It's a way to acquire more power and wealth for Trump and allies, and more leverage.
AI is the highest growth industry in the world, and the most powerful technological change. Any democratic government would seek to control and harness such a thing to the public interest, and the Trump administration's general vision of the democratic public interest is more power for the office of the POTUS. Imagine the power, wealth, and leverage of controlling AI models and virtually any aspect of them by being able to control their release and content. Imagine the control over content in the US and worldwide, controlling the output of almost every LLM.
There had to have been a trigger that caused the shift, even if that trigger was a momentum threshold...which had to manifest as signal.
What didn't happen was irrational and self-oblivious leadership noticing they had been acting irrationally for years. "the potential" of wealth or power was present long before this shift.
> Anthropic’s enemies in the Pentagon, who had, months prior, convinced Trump that Anthropic was “woke” and should be banned for government use.
That people in government speak like this is utterly absurd. The quote from Donald Trump's follow up tweet on t'social is considerably worse.
This was all due to Antropic not wanting to take on a military contract, right? Or is it suggested its more to do with Mythos, but why would it be, if they never released it.
> This was all due to Antropic not wanting to take on a military contract, right?
No, they already had a contract (since 2024, revisited/renewed by the Trump admin in mid-2025) which included military usage. That contract, though, had some language about what Claude couldn't be used for, ostensibly because Anthropic was nervous about accuracy in lethal contexts. Hegseth and others were unhappy with the restrictions and wanted to just redo the contract to remove them. Anthropic didn't want that, at least with current models. Then everything blew up. Zvi has some great writeups with more than you probably want to know.
the people in the previous trump admin were perfectly willing to peddle a lie they didn't believe
the people in the current trump admin genuinely believe their own lies
You have to distinguish between political rhetoric (“woke”) and the substance of the dispute
The substance: traditionally, defense contracts don’t have clauses in them limiting what the military can do with the acquired technology. If Boeing or Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumann sell a missile system to the Pentagon, they don’t try to impose contractual limits on who the Pentagon can fire the missiles at. Now, for some types of contracts - e.g. contracts to provide personnel - the Pentagon is used to contractual terms limiting uses - but not for hardware or software used in weapons systems / military planning / etc.
Along comes Anthropic, who argue AI is a fundamentally different technology, to which the old rules shouldn’t apply - they want contractual terms prohibiting certain uses (autonomous weapon systems without human in loop; domestic mass surveillance). The Biden admin buys the argument and agrees to those novel contractual terms. The Trump admin takes over and objects to them, demands they be renegotiated. I think it was primarily a matter of principle and power-“software vendors don’t get to tell us what we can and can’t do”-rather than some immediate plan to do things the contract prohibits.
OpenAI negotiated a contract which replicated those terms-but with the proviso that the terms only apply insofar as they reiterate existing legal limits. Anthropic was objecting to that as a meaningless fudge-“we promise not to do X if X is illegal” is very weak, especially when contracting with the government-Congress could change the law tomorrow, or the government’s lawyers could change their interpretation of it, or an appellate court decision could impose a new understanding of it.
> Congress could change the law tomorrow, or the government’s lawyers could change their interpretation of it, or an appellate court decision could impose a new understanding of it.
And then it becomes legal. It’s not an empty argument, it simply means “someone higher than you took an initiative”.
> Anthropic, who argue AI is a fundamentally different technology
They’re arguing it’s a service. I think Aramark could refuse to contract to provide employees to the U.S. military for a campaign on Chicago.
I think in practice contracts to provide civilian personnel to the Pentagon contain clauses limiting the nature and location of the work - the Pentagon can’t contract for a clerical assistant in DC and then demand they go to Iraq to provide physical security - it violates the nature of the agreed work and the agreed location.
But contracts for personnel generally don’t contain restrictions on use beyond that. If the clerical assistant for DC is asked to provide clerical help to a military planning team who are planning an assault on Chicago, they (and their employer) don’t have legal grounds to refuse. If you are contracted to provide clerical assistance to military planners, you can’t legally say “Baghdad is fine, but Chicago is a no”. Saying that is a breach of contract-unless the courts rule that planning the assault was itself illegal, and I doubt current SCOTUS majority would
legally and in practice, they cannot. Even considering the 4th amendment, in a time of war the military can commandeer a service as long as they are compensated.
Congress passing a changed law, and it holding up in court is how it's supposed to work. The people's reps (specifics interpreted by the courts) should be the ones that set the standard on as a country what type of weapons systems we want to deploy vs. what is immoral. Precedent is nerve agent weapons, landmines, etc.
Honestly, Anthropic's stance feels like an oligarch stance. We have better morals than the American people, we will decide what weapons systems the military will use or not use.
It's perfectly understandable if they don't want to sell weapons to the government. That is a noble thing. But Anthropic wanted that DoW money and wanted to determine what is moral vs. not
> rather than some immediate plan to do things the contract prohibits.
It's not like any legally questionable kidnappings or bombing campaigns were being planned at the time, right?
Those acts are allowed by Anthropic’s terms-they aren’t domestic mass surveillance, and (to the best of my knowledge) any AI targeting decisions were approved by a human in the loop.
Anthropic’s terms weren’t “don’t do anything illegal” they were “here are two highly specific things which you aren’t allowed to, whether they are legal or not”
do you really think the bombings and kidnappings are new as of 2024? You think what we have been doing in the middle east and Guantanamo bay since 2001 are moral?
The only reason that I mention liability concerns is precisely because of Abu Ghraib, Snowden, et. al.
I'm struck by the wild recklessness and unrestrained power of these administration employees. Musk is the most prominent example. I've never even heard of Sacks until now. If it's any consolation these guys crashing and burning seems to be the rule. Trump likes results and hates headaches.
One exception is Jared Isaacman the billionaire head of NASA who experienced a bit of a roller coaster. Unlike the previous 2 i think he will actually do a good job.
One thing that stands out about Trump is how accessible he is. Apparently he takes cold calls and will listen to ideas from anyone (this includes laura loomer, but still).
How many people here is he really "accessible" to? I highly doubt you and I are able to cold call him as easily as some people think they can...
"accessibility" with lousy judgement also may not be the greatest combo...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reporters-keep-calling-t...
> If everyone can call the president, does it matter if anyone does? It sounds like a koan but isn’t that far from reality. Donald Trump’s personal cellphone number has been making the rounds among Washington reporters, dozens of whom have used it over the past few weeks to score brief interview after brief interview with the leader of the free world about his ongoing war with Iran. A partial list of media organizations that have published “exclusive” or “scoop”-y quotes after hitting up Trump’s iPhone includes leading print publications like the New York Times, TV networks (ABC, NBC, PBS, and CNN), foreign newspapers (the Daily Telegraph and Times of Israel), and no fewer than four outlets with Washington in their names (the Post, Examiner, Reporter, and Free Beacon).
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-reportedl...
> A comedian pretending to be Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., says he talked on the phone with President Donald Trump earlier this week in an epic recorded prank call during which the president discussed a range of policy topics.
Allegedly he'll pick up the phone even for numbers he doesn't recognise. I guess to convince him you have to make it clear how your idea will increase the glory and honour of Donald J Trump.
In all seriousness i think that combo is better then a senior citizen who can barely be reached by his own advisors and is unclear how much of the situation he actually understands. (with Trump it's either zero, Fox News or 4d chess depending on who you ask, but the answer will always be given with confidence).
> I've never even heard of Sacks until now
Bless your soul
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Founder and investor FOMO has reached levels of desperation and moral emptiness never seen before. It's so pervasive and powerful that it's unironically responsible for pretty much everything bad in the US over the past 5 years.
Because when you have billions of dollars you have a lot of leverage. He could create another company that's whole mission is to just be a thorn in the side of your company just out of spite
>David Sacks crashed and burned in the White House
I was expecting someone to actually crash and burn but OK
The headline didn't say literally. And literally everyone knows that when a person on the web says literally, they literally mean it.
Do you often have trouble understanding metaphors?
Yeah actually, do you often have trouble understanding jokes?
Same, click bait headline