It's funny that this is a question when every college STEM class is taught by people who have degrees that have absolutely nothing to do with being able to teach effectively.
Teaching salaries start at $48,112 on average. If schools want advanced degrees the industry needs to pay more, and that's beyond whatever adjustment the provide for holding an advanced degree.
When you underpay teachers, people who hate teaching, and hate being teachers, will become teachers because all the people that had better options did something else.
Absolutely dumb take. There are plenty of very bright and talented people that would have made excellent teachers but chose different career paths because - surprise surprise - the pay is better.
No job "needs advanced degrees". They need experience.
If you want to get your foot in the door in a competitive market, degrees help. They offer some substitute for experience. But it's ridiculous to require them.
It depends on the grade though: no degree would probably be fine for a kindergarten teacher, but I'd be a little concerned if a high school math/science teacher had zero post-secondary experience, especially if this were at a school where most students are planning on attending university.
My mother was one of those teachers that had questionable qualifications. This was a problem from time to time as different government edicts and local authority changes made teachers effectively reapply for their jobs.
Eventually she did get a degree, albeit with my father writing up most of the assignments, however, I was underwhelmed by this. I felt that it was quite an indulgence for just a piece of paper.
Subject matter does matter. My mother was teaching art which might as well have been craft. What she brought to the class was experience, experience in crafts and experience existing as a money-making artist. She also knew a few people.
Few in academia could match her skill set and there were no complaints. It didn't matter that she was practically illiterate when it came to writing.
Those who produce the materials teachers teach should have advanced degrees. Teachers should have degrees demonstrating their competence in accessing and relating to such knowledge.
It's funny that this is a question when every college STEM class is taught by people who have degrees that have absolutely nothing to do with being able to teach effectively.
Teaching salaries start at $48,112 on average. If schools want advanced degrees the industry needs to pay more, and that's beyond whatever adjustment the provide for holding an advanced degree.
Well, the way you get instant raises in the public school system is by completing more advanced degrees
They're already paid better than adjunct professors or grad students which is the normal career path for people with advanced degrees.
this. there's almost no fiscal incentive to even BE a teacher, let alone a well-educated one.
When you overpay teachers, people who hate teaching, and hate being teachers, will become teachers for the money.
Is a good idea to select the people who hate teaching to become teachers?
When you underpay teachers, people who hate teaching, and hate being teachers, will become teachers because all the people that had better options did something else.
Yeah, why would we pay top dollar for top talent and then hold that talent to high standards? That certainly doesn’t work in any other profession.
This is true of every single job.
Teachers are high in big five trait agreeableness which means they typically don't negotiate on their own behalf
When you overpay CEOs, people who hate leading, and hate being CEOs, will become CEOs for the money.
Is a good idea to select the people who hate leading to become CEOs?
We call this new movement “involuntary CEO”. Bob you’re now it.
You say that as though it’s an option
CEO is selected by the investors for whoever will side with the investors 100% of the time over every other group including employees
What you suggest would subvert this and so it won’t and can’t happen
Yes
Absolutely dumb take. There are plenty of very bright and talented people that would have made excellent teachers but chose different career paths because - surprise surprise - the pay is better.
No job "needs advanced degrees". They need experience.
If you want to get your foot in the door in a competitive market, degrees help. They offer some substitute for experience. But it's ridiculous to require them.
Shouldn't need any degrees tbh, only the ability to do their job
It depends on the grade though: no degree would probably be fine for a kindergarten teacher, but I'd be a little concerned if a high school math/science teacher had zero post-secondary experience, especially if this were at a school where most students are planning on attending university.
My mother was one of those teachers that had questionable qualifications. This was a problem from time to time as different government edicts and local authority changes made teachers effectively reapply for their jobs.
Eventually she did get a degree, albeit with my father writing up most of the assignments, however, I was underwhelmed by this. I felt that it was quite an indulgence for just a piece of paper.
Subject matter does matter. My mother was teaching art which might as well have been craft. What she brought to the class was experience, experience in crafts and experience existing as a money-making artist. She also knew a few people.
Few in academia could match her skill set and there were no complaints. It didn't matter that she was practically illiterate when it came to writing.
Fwiw, in 1900 my grandfather taught school in Washington State. He was 16 years old.
I don't know how good he was, just saying it wasn't so long ago.
Those who produce the materials teachers teach should have advanced degrees. Teachers should have degrees demonstrating their competence in accessing and relating to such knowledge.
No.
some studies even saying experience was irrelevant along with advanced degrees. so what do teachers need? big personalities?
they need money, in america.