For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are quite a few in the open).
Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading?
As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.
it's very confusing. maaaybe if the stt is good and fast enough, speaking may be faster? english speakers can probably hit 150-180 wpm but seems like a hassle
If so, would other models like ChatGPT benefit from translating the user's prompt to Chinese/Japanese and thinking in Hanzi/Kanji and then converting the response back to the user's language before displaying it?
I believe that most reasoning models actually think in their own "language" which is not really understandable by humans. The thinking traces that are shown in the UI are actually summaries generated by a smaller model in plain english (or user language). Sometimes this leaks through and you see some chinese/japanese characters in e.g. Claude's reasoning.
Are you running out of context? I’ve found that tooling and giberish most of the time happens when I’m butting up against the high watermark of my context window. One other thing it could be, I’ve read that lower quanta like Q1 and Q2 for smaller models can leak Chinese
Turns out, to use Claude Agents SDK, you need to have a vision enabled API. If Deepseek API could see, it can fully drive Claude Code and Claude Agents SDK. A project I'm working on relies on a Claude-in-CloudflareWorker setup and I've been relying on Qwen and gemini flash lite, both more expensive than Deepseek.
If they'd do one of those little extraneous additions like Qwen does, so that I can have DS4 Flash with Vision that would be great. I've got to run a separate model entirely so that I can get vision and I'd prefer to just put it all in one space.
And it's really good and fast. Have tested with bunch of odd photos on what is happening. Overall the training set seems large enough to know what's what and where
Is that before or after the OpenAI and Anthropic pay off all the people and companies who's copyrights were violated when they used their works for free to train their models?
If everything goes to plan everyone involved with big US models will be trillionaire and everyone else will poor and unemployed. If there are open and cheap to run Chinese models (and please god silicon) the financial house of cards that we have build will fall, people involved with big US models will be poor and unemployed, and everyone else will be slightly less poor and unemployed than in the first scenario.
Points to https://chat.deepseek.com/sign_in for me, that's just a login screen. Anything page with some info?
Not in official news yet, but works for me https://files.catbox.moe/hnnnlx.png
OP made a mistake, confused HN and https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepSeek .
For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are quite a few in the open).
Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading?
As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.
it's very confusing. maaaybe if the stt is good and fast enough, speaking may be faster? english speakers can probably hit 150-180 wpm but seems like a hassle
Accessibility.
What has been going on with deepseek recently? I have gotten lots of replies in Chinese and even more frequently, reasoning in Chinese as well.
Is it a new silent update?
Well, it is a Chinese model, maybe it thinks better in Chinese?
Hànzì can use 30%-40% fewer tokens than English. So, yes, it probably thinks better in Chinese.
If so, would other models like ChatGPT benefit from translating the user's prompt to Chinese/Japanese and thinking in Hanzi/Kanji and then converting the response back to the user's language before displaying it?
I believe that most reasoning models actually think in their own "language" which is not really understandable by humans. The thinking traces that are shown in the UI are actually summaries generated by a smaller model in plain english (or user language). Sometimes this leaks through and you see some chinese/japanese characters in e.g. Claude's reasoning.
> summaries generated
Or hallucinated
There are other even more efficient ways of doing this, i.e. using images instead of raw text https://xcancel.com/karpathy/status/1980397031542989305?lang...
Yeah, it’s why the Caveman skill includes a Wenyan mode.
https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman
This happens to me a lot when I ask a qwen3.6 model to respond to a question in JSON. No clue why.
I use DeepSeek daily, never happened to me.
I use the API however, not the chat interface.
It doesn’t seem that recent to me, at least been like that for six months.
yes, kind of silent update plus they might have better chinese datasets and user data for their training, that might be leading to chinese preference.
Are you running out of context? I’ve found that tooling and giberish most of the time happens when I’m butting up against the high watermark of my context window. One other thing it could be, I’ve read that lower quanta like Q1 and Q2 for smaller models can leak Chinese
It never happened to me with Deepseek, but it happened multiple times with Kimi 2.6.
It also happened a handful of times with Anthropic models.
I wish they published a post where we read about capabilities, quality, accuracy and other parameters
I really need this as an API.
Turns out, to use Claude Agents SDK, you need to have a vision enabled API. If Deepseek API could see, it can fully drive Claude Code and Claude Agents SDK. A project I'm working on relies on a Claude-in-CloudflareWorker setup and I've been relying on Qwen and gemini flash lite, both more expensive than Deepseek.
Can't wait to have it available on deepseek.
Have you looked at MiniMax or MiMo? Available today via OpenRouter, and it’ll make the path to porting to DeepSeek a line change https://openrouter.ai/collections/vision-models
Does the api support vision yet?
No announcements about it yet.
That makes sense. I haven’t found it work in api yet.
If they'd do one of those little extraneous additions like Qwen does, so that I can have DS4 Flash with Vision that would be great. I've got to run a separate model entirely so that I can get vision and I'd prefer to just put it all in one space.
Maybe they will do now as they got huge funding.
And it's really good and fast. Have tested with bunch of odd photos on what is happening. Overall the training set seems large enough to know what's what and where
yes and I hope their rate of shipping increases after recent funding.
Vision has been in A/B testing for a while now (at least in China). Is there an official announcement that this will be available for everyone?
I haven't seen any official announcement yet, works for me though.
Nice, is this available in the API now as well?
I am also waiting on the vision support in API. Its the only thing blocking me from buying their subscription.
What subscription?
I mean't topup. They don't have subsciptions.
Not in the api yet.
what is more interesting to me is why it takes so long for them to support vision.
does it implies that Liang believes vision/voice is less important on its way to AGI?
Might be compute bottleneck due to the US chips act and migrating to Huawei ecosystem.
OpenAI and Anthropic need to get this free foreign competition banned.
Is that before or after the OpenAI and Anthropic pay off all the people and companies who's copyrights were violated when they used their works for free to train their models?
At least DeepSeek freely gives back the benefits.
Care to expand on why? Or did you forgot the /s at the end?
I feel like '/s' has ruined irony on the internet. Irony is at its best if left ambiguous, lol.
Nah, they're serious actually!
Wait, did that need a /s?
If everything goes to plan everyone involved with big US models will be trillionaire and everyone else will poor and unemployed. If there are open and cheap to run Chinese models (and please god silicon) the financial house of cards that we have build will fall, people involved with big US models will be poor and unemployed, and everyone else will be slightly less poor and unemployed than in the first scenario.
What is good for Dario is good for America.
Why do you think it’s free?
Any ideas, theories where they get their payoff?
Yes, subscription options they sell on deepseek.com