Hey manucorporat! So fun seeing this on the frontpage of HN. I'm bummed our two paths didn't cross in person via a Go conference or something else. Wanted to say how happy I was to see Gin rise in popularity in the community. I think you did a great job taking some of the elegant bits from Martini and making some better technical tradeoffs that were more idiomatic for Go.
Thanks for the detailed walk-through @manucorporat .
On designing for zero breaking changes, I see that is also a core value at Go. However, how did you actually apply it to software design and architecture? Got any resources to share here? Did you had to put more effort on other projects not running on Go to keep it also free from breaking changes?
I'm mainly building tooling in other runtimes like Rust and TS, and I'm interested to hear your take on it.
> You write the same plumbing for route params, request parsing, validation, and responses in handler after handler. None of it is hard. Enough of it becomes noise.
As a human, I would have written something like:
> You write the same plumbing for route params, request parsing, validation, and responses in handler after handler. None of it is hard, but it makes the code noisy.
Whether or not an LLM wrote this, it's a writing style that sounds like a politician or a sophist, and it sucks.
If seeing a word written down is traumatizing, you need more help, and you’re not suited for the professional world. If coddling people like that would make you select away from a project for something beyond its technical merit, then I question your ability act as a professional.
I don't agree with the original take but this response is worse. Always choose curiosity about someone else's mindset rather than use it as an imaginary platform to build yourself up and pretend to be higher than them. Find another way to gain confidence.
Part of reaching maturity is an ability to tell when your jokes or behavior make others uncomfortable, even when you don't think they should, and moderating yourself to enable others to feel comfortable with your presence. Part of maturity is also knowing when the things that cause you discomfort are unreasonable and recommending they be avoided is disruptive and antisocial. I think "all references to alcohol" falls pretty far under that latter category. Part of getting over alcoholism in our society is gaining the ability to hear references to it without suffering emotional distress, and while it's good to help people on that journey erasing reference to their object of dependence is both unworkable and ultimately harmful to those ends.
Truth be told, I came up with this name when I was 12 years younger. The other big framework back then was called Martini. And Gin pretended to be the idiomatic version for Go. Go -> Gin
This is important, but let's think it in different light. If society treated alcohol responsibly, without hammering the population with direct advertisement in ads, or indirectly with movies and cultural production, would a package name like this be offensive? I really doubt, so the problem isn't the package naming, but the entire cultural production that incentivises and rewards alcohol abuse.
I released Gin in Hacker news more than 10 years ago! Changed my career and allowed me to meet a lot of interesting people. Thank you HN!
Hey manucorporat! So fun seeing this on the frontpage of HN. I'm bummed our two paths didn't cross in person via a Go conference or something else. Wanted to say how happy I was to see Gin rise in popularity in the community. I think you did a great job taking some of the elegant bits from Martini and making some better technical tradeoffs that were more idiomatic for Go.
Great to see you here :D
Thanks for the detailed walk-through @manucorporat . On designing for zero breaking changes, I see that is also a core value at Go. However, how did you actually apply it to software design and architecture? Got any resources to share here? Did you had to put more effort on other projects not running on Go to keep it also free from breaking changes?
I'm mainly building tooling in other runtimes like Rust and TS, and I'm interested to hear your take on it.
> You write the same plumbing for route params, request parsing, validation, and responses in handler after handler. None of it is hard. Enough of it becomes noise.
As a human, I would have written something like: > You write the same plumbing for route params, request parsing, validation, and responses in handler after handler. None of it is hard, but it makes the code noisy.
Whether or not an LLM wrote this, it's a writing style that sounds like a politician or a sophist, and it sucks.
Cool! I used gin once on a company project.
I'm not sure if I could use a framework that shares the name with an alcoholic drink in a professional setting.
Plenty of people who struggle with alcohol and who would benefit of not being reminded of it at work too.
If seeing a word written down is traumatizing, you need more help, and you’re not suited for the professional world. If coddling people like that would make you select away from a project for something beyond its technical merit, then I question your ability act as a professional.
I don't agree with the original take but this response is worse. Always choose curiosity about someone else's mindset rather than use it as an imaginary platform to build yourself up and pretend to be higher than them. Find another way to gain confidence.
Part of reaching maturity is an ability to tell when your jokes or behavior make others uncomfortable, even when you don't think they should, and moderating yourself to enable others to feel comfortable with your presence. Part of maturity is also knowing when the things that cause you discomfort are unreasonable and recommending they be avoided is disruptive and antisocial. I think "all references to alcohol" falls pretty far under that latter category. Part of getting over alcoholism in our society is gaining the ability to hear references to it without suffering emotional distress, and while it's good to help people on that journey erasing reference to their object of dependence is both unworkable and ultimately harmful to those ends.
Truth be told, I came up with this name when I was 12 years younger. The other big framework back then was called Martini. And Gin pretended to be the idiomatic version for Go. Go -> Gin
This is important, but let's think it in different light. If society treated alcohol responsibly, without hammering the population with direct advertisement in ads, or indirectly with movies and cultural production, would a package name like this be offensive? I really doubt, so the problem isn't the package naming, but the entire cultural production that incentivises and rewards alcohol abuse.
You do you, but it's tough out there for that position, given Homebrew, Flask, Absinthe, Wine, &c.