My own experience is that Opus 4.8 has an adversarial-teacher voice, unsolicited grading as if I submitted an essay for grading, declarations about the "real" issue, and constant "honest notes" self grading its own responses even before it answers. I can't stand its tone. We can't have a normal chat.
While Fable reverts to Opus for simple questions like "What is digestion?"
For chatting and getting informations, and be corrected on things you're wrong without being reprimended by your own tool, GPT 5.5/5.6 is way better. Gemini 3.1 pro is surprisingly good at verifying your stuff, even though it's always making mistakes about its own stuff (don't ask him question, but ask him to verify your answer to the question).
Same for graphics, visual consistency, anything around the "does the look make sense and is pleasing" really, which makes claude design such a (good) surprise, I hope very hard for a Codex equivalent. And Gemini "gets" graphics.
Claude is definitely a code and cowork tool first, that's where it shines.
what i dislike more with opus 4.8 is that i can get a straightforward plan, and it just stops after the first 5% to wait for another message, and if i set a goal/ralph loop or anything for it to keep going through the plan, it cancels the loop and proclaims conpletion when its barely started
Same, I was just fighting it as it accused me over and over again of Ctrl+Cing a process that clearly errored out. 3 turns for it to find why the shell script actually crashed.
Hard agree. I used to have a tuned setup where I could force it to do research properly, summarize in chunks that it would remember and form the synthesized response that way. Nowadays it's just like "oh I forgot about using that tool, sorry", "yeah I know we agreed on that and I didn't do it anyway", "That knowledge is beyond my training date, I suspect foul play" - even when you instruct it to fetch latest info all the time, or "you already told me X. This cancels your reasoning about A, B, C, so D is the only logical choice", even when those clearly still have merit, oh and never ending "your previous discussion X is relevant here, in combination to Y, but not so much as Z since there's a OSS implementation of it and another one blablabla..." Like, who remembers these all at the same time in their heads?
It's like with each release they force you to reconsider your pipelines altogether, and without announcing changes properly, you feel like a junior JS developer fighting dependencies once again.
This is a serious suggestion, not a joke: Have you tried being nice to the model?
There are so many criticisms here that I just don't see myself.
If the models have been trained on human responses, then it's plausible that they will prefer to become less helpful to requests which are blunt or even rude, because that's what humans do too.
Yeah I'm in a similar boat - these experiences are wildly outside of my experience working on a moderately large, professional codebase on a daily basis.
I am always very polite with my chat bots. Mostly because the interface does mimic human conversation and I’m afraid that if I’m rude to the bot, I’ll get used to being rude and then I’ll start being rude to people.
yes I have hypothesized this as well - if you ask rudely on StackOverflow you will get bad or even misleading answers - but if you ask nicely you will more likely be given good information.
It could stand to reason that if you are nice to the AI, you will get a response that is trained on all of the nice responses and be higher quality.
It's quite obnoxious. I asked if brown rice left in the fridge for a couple days–originally put in for use in fried rices–was still safe. Fable decided I'm trying to produce biotoxins. Which, ironically, prompted me to learn how to produce Bacillus cereus at home [1].
I paid for a year but am going back to Kagi's multi-model system [2].
> I paid for a year but am going back to Kagi's multi-model system [2].
I've been using DuckDuckGo's multi-model service for my "ask an AI random questions" needs. I was already paying them and discovered this LLM thing is part of my subscription. Works pretty well and has privacy guarantees I'd expect out of DDG, though I think they've been tightening the usage you can get out of it recently.
I use them frequently but I'm skeptical of their "private" claims.
I asked one of the DDG ChatGPT bots about some error output from a program and apparently forgot to redact a URL. I found the DDG bot trying to access it about half an hour later. It was a long and randomly generated alpha-numeric subdomain and the conversation never discussed the URL or anything related to it- it was simply buried in the pasted error output. I think this was even before the DGG bots had web search capability. I was thoroughly spooked.
Interresting, Have you done any Møre testing trying to trigger this behaviour?
If it is semi konsistent or even just alone it makes a god case to switch.
I cancelled my subscription because of the obnoxious "safety classifers" as well. Will switch to OpenAI next month. I don't ever want to hear about Anthropic's patronizing safety nonsense ever again.
Anthropic literally thinks they are uplifting people with Claude. As though you're some kind of caveman who just discovered fire while they're on the Enterprise.
Alpha Centauri was such a fantastic game. And even though it encourages you to move forward with technology, the tone has this unease about what you're doing. There's a lot to be learned from it.
Businesses are usually allowed to refuse service: "Sorry, we're closed" or "sir, this is a Wendy's." There's nothing dystopian about that.
But it's a rather annoying service if the customer can't predict in advance what sort of tasks they're willing to take on. You should have some idea about what they're normally willing to do for you.
I do not disagree with business deciding to only provide the service they want, I am not talking about the AI business themselves, I am thinking about the people who think we should remove pages from knowledge book.
Whether the book takes the form of an llm or an online website or a printed book is merely implementation details.
> people who think we should remove pages from knowledge book.
"No knowledge in Kamar-Taj is forbidden. Only certain practices."
You reminded me of that quote from the Doctor Strange movie.
Even the most "dangerous" knowledge can be life-saving, depending on the circumstances. When I was a teenager, I read the Terrorist's Handbook, which was a text file circulating on bulletin boards. After 9/11 it vanished, because posession was considered a crime in some jurisdictions.
Knowing how to build a bomb is useless and/or dangerous in civilian life. Ask a Ukrainian if it is useful knowledge!
Knowing all about nuclear weapons doesn't mean you're going to blow up a city. But if someone else does, then you'll have the knowledge needed to avoid the worst of the radiation and maybe survive.
I think no one objects to the refusals in the abstract but rather to the inconsistencies and the presentation. You don't know what request might be refused or downgraded. You do know that the marketing copy and CEO's words present it as being for your own good (or the good of society) instead of plainly stated as a business policy based on business or personal concerns. These aspects are what make it grating and yes, potentially dystopian.
It'll be dystopian when that'll become your only source of information, and we're working on getting there. If you want to be horrified, look at what students (in school and post-secondary) are doing these days.
It's insane to offload your thinking and knowledge to a machine owned by other people, but you have to if you want to keep up with the rat race.
> For Fable 5, we made this safety margin much larger than in any prior launch (row B), meaning that many more benign requests would be blocked. We understood that these kinds of false positives would be frustrating for users, but made this tradeoff in the interest of making the model’s other capabilities widely available.
I don’t think that this is the case. I’m using Claude the same way
I did at the beginning of the year, and results are increasingly more untrustworthy and I don’t know how to say it, but they are “less” for same effort from my side.
It is super anecdotal, but I’m convinced that Claude peaked in January/April period and since then is on steady decline. And I don’t know what they do in background, but the older models (Opus 4.6 in particular) have degraded too. Same for codex but I use it less overall.
“You were right to push back on this”, “my previous claim was too broad” - this is super annoying
I love Claude Code and I don't use the rest of the models since I use ChatGPT for productivity work it. Fable is pretty great and the UI / UX is much better than codex
Opus 4.5 was the high point for me. It was like a mind-reader, it just got it and did pretty much exactly what I wanted.
Since then, I've been less impressed and I agree it feels a bit downhill. At work we are "stuck" on Opus 4.6 which is okay but I feel like that was when the deviant opinionated behaviour started to creep in.
It's a tool, I don't want my hammer to refuse to hammer a screw if I decide that is what I want to do today. I know it's wrong, but I'm the fucking boss.
Claude has never been the best Chat agent. GPT and Gemini have the lead there. But Claude chat is still perfectly serviceable if you don’t want to pay for two.
Yeah, I went through a period after 4.7 launched of not using Claude for code work at all because of the condescending refusals. (Kept using it for planning and design work). Still had three pretty bad refusals from 4.8, but not the same quantity as from 4.7.
Claude.ai is pretty frustrating too. It will talk to me as if anything I ask for is below it. Could be the system prompt I use, but I did not have this issue with 4.6.
Yes, I tend to prefer GPT, but I can't remember having GPT ever refuse a direct instruction that wasn't an obvious ToS violation.
I hate it. A useful tip - Claude goes into what I call Safety Mode when it gets afraid of risk. Once it's in that mode, you will never get out and it lobotomizes its effective intelligence. As soon as Claude sends a message like this, use the "edit message" feature in the chat UI to try again and avoid Safety Mode rather than trying to convince it or redirect it out by continuing the conversation.
Claude always was slightly lobotomized - instead of solving problems intellectually, it often prefers to be a middle-level code monkey. Maybe this was a part of the implicit safe mode from the very beginning. Cursor/Codex always work better for a way lower spend, at least in my experience.
Apart from the 'Approve for me' in Codex where it has massively regressed.
With GPT 5.5 it never got in the way.
Now it's infuriatingly deciding to reject the most basic actions used hundreds of times before. It just gave me this gem:
> The push to GitLab was blocked because the repository's privacy status couldn't be confirmed. Since the code is private, do you explicitly authorize pushing it to the configured origin on gitlab.com, so the merge request can be opened?
This is not a new project, and Codex has opened a hundred merge requests without issue before.
as long as you submit to the cloud's idea of what you're allowed to talk about, it'll keep changing the degree to which you're allowed to drink from the sacred fountain of knowledge.
This is more about how MBAs are wanting to mediate between you and the knowledge than anything else.
But this is what all the tech bros wanted right? Spending 2025 panicking about sycophancy[1] and how GPT-4o needed to be shut down ASAP meant that 2026 models would be prone to thinking they know Better Than You. That was the germ of the sycophancy panic, the idea that there is a Truth that the GPUs know better than the user.
I am ignoring Fable at the moment. It’s on and off available, twice the price and does not seem to be better.
I use Opus 4.8 with OMP/Pi coding agent and Matt Pocock Skills installed. I use professional/polite/questions-based communication pattern with Opus and it seems to work fine for coding. I am always aware that I need to justify my requests so it doesn’t barf.
Of course, I would never use Claude for anything customer-facing. It’s woke to the point of being fanatical.
My own experience is that Opus 4.8 has an adversarial-teacher voice, unsolicited grading as if I submitted an essay for grading, declarations about the "real" issue, and constant "honest notes" self grading its own responses even before it answers. I can't stand its tone. We can't have a normal chat.
While Fable reverts to Opus for simple questions like "What is digestion?"
For chatting and getting informations, and be corrected on things you're wrong without being reprimended by your own tool, GPT 5.5/5.6 is way better. Gemini 3.1 pro is surprisingly good at verifying your stuff, even though it's always making mistakes about its own stuff (don't ask him question, but ask him to verify your answer to the question).
Same for graphics, visual consistency, anything around the "does the look make sense and is pleasing" really, which makes claude design such a (good) surprise, I hope very hard for a Codex equivalent. And Gemini "gets" graphics.
Claude is definitely a code and cowork tool first, that's where it shines.
what i dislike more with opus 4.8 is that i can get a straightforward plan, and it just stops after the first 5% to wait for another message, and if i set a goal/ralph loop or anything for it to keep going through the plan, it cancels the loop and proclaims conpletion when its barely started
Same, I was just fighting it as it accused me over and over again of Ctrl+Cing a process that clearly errored out. 3 turns for it to find why the shell script actually crashed.
Hard agree. I used to have a tuned setup where I could force it to do research properly, summarize in chunks that it would remember and form the synthesized response that way. Nowadays it's just like "oh I forgot about using that tool, sorry", "yeah I know we agreed on that and I didn't do it anyway", "That knowledge is beyond my training date, I suspect foul play" - even when you instruct it to fetch latest info all the time, or "you already told me X. This cancels your reasoning about A, B, C, so D is the only logical choice", even when those clearly still have merit, oh and never ending "your previous discussion X is relevant here, in combination to Y, but not so much as Z since there's a OSS implementation of it and another one blablabla..." Like, who remembers these all at the same time in their heads?
It's like with each release they force you to reconsider your pipelines altogether, and without announcing changes properly, you feel like a junior JS developer fighting dependencies once again.
This is a serious suggestion, not a joke: Have you tried being nice to the model?
There are so many criticisms here that I just don't see myself.
If the models have been trained on human responses, then it's plausible that they will prefer to become less helpful to requests which are blunt or even rude, because that's what humans do too.
Yeah I'm in a similar boat - these experiences are wildly outside of my experience working on a moderately large, professional codebase on a daily basis.
I am always very polite with my chat bots. Mostly because the interface does mimic human conversation and I’m afraid that if I’m rude to the bot, I’ll get used to being rude and then I’ll start being rude to people.
yes I have hypothesized this as well - if you ask rudely on StackOverflow you will get bad or even misleading answers - but if you ask nicely you will more likely be given good information.
It could stand to reason that if you are nice to the AI, you will get a response that is trained on all of the nice responses and be higher quality.
It's quite obnoxious. I asked if brown rice left in the fridge for a couple days–originally put in for use in fried rices–was still safe. Fable decided I'm trying to produce biotoxins. Which, ironically, prompted me to learn how to produce Bacillus cereus at home [1].
I paid for a year but am going back to Kagi's multi-model system [2].
[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7913059/ Don't Do It
[2] https://assistant.kagi.com
> I paid for a year but am going back to Kagi's multi-model system [2].
I've been using DuckDuckGo's multi-model service for my "ask an AI random questions" needs. I was already paying them and discovered this LLM thing is part of my subscription. Works pretty well and has privacy guarantees I'd expect out of DDG, though I think they've been tightening the usage you can get out of it recently.
I'll have to try Kagi if DDG gets much tighter.
I use them frequently but I'm skeptical of their "private" claims.
I asked one of the DDG ChatGPT bots about some error output from a program and apparently forgot to redact a URL. I found the DDG bot trying to access it about half an hour later. It was a long and randomly generated alpha-numeric subdomain and the conversation never discussed the URL or anything related to it- it was simply buried in the pasted error output. I think this was even before the DGG bots had web search capability. I was thoroughly spooked.
Interresting, Have you done any Møre testing trying to trigger this behaviour? If it is semi konsistent or even just alone it makes a god case to switch.
I cancelled my subscription because of the obnoxious "safety classifers" as well. Will switch to OpenAI next month. I don't ever want to hear about Anthropic's patronizing safety nonsense ever again.
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
(he, in this case, would not be the llm but the people over it)
I find those kind of limitation very dystopian and way more dangerous than the threat they claim to fight against.
Anthropic literally thinks they are uplifting people with Claude. As though you're some kind of caveman who just discovered fire while they're on the Enterprise.
Alpha Centauri was such a fantastic game. And even though it encourages you to move forward with technology, the tone has this unease about what you're doing. There's a lot to be learned from it.
Between Yang, Zakharov and Miriam the whole unease aspect of tech progress goes to 11. Absolute gem of a game.
Businesses are usually allowed to refuse service: "Sorry, we're closed" or "sir, this is a Wendy's." There's nothing dystopian about that.
But it's a rather annoying service if the customer can't predict in advance what sort of tasks they're willing to take on. You should have some idea about what they're normally willing to do for you.
I do not disagree with business deciding to only provide the service they want, I am not talking about the AI business themselves, I am thinking about the people who think we should remove pages from knowledge book.
Whether the book takes the form of an llm or an online website or a printed book is merely implementation details.
> people who think we should remove pages from knowledge book.
"No knowledge in Kamar-Taj is forbidden. Only certain practices."
You reminded me of that quote from the Doctor Strange movie.
Even the most "dangerous" knowledge can be life-saving, depending on the circumstances. When I was a teenager, I read the Terrorist's Handbook, which was a text file circulating on bulletin boards. After 9/11 it vanished, because posession was considered a crime in some jurisdictions.
Knowing how to build a bomb is useless and/or dangerous in civilian life. Ask a Ukrainian if it is useful knowledge!
Knowing all about nuclear weapons doesn't mean you're going to blow up a city. But if someone else does, then you'll have the knowledge needed to avoid the worst of the radiation and maybe survive.
I think no one objects to the refusals in the abstract but rather to the inconsistencies and the presentation. You don't know what request might be refused or downgraded. You do know that the marketing copy and CEO's words present it as being for your own good (or the good of society) instead of plainly stated as a business policy based on business or personal concerns. These aspects are what make it grating and yes, potentially dystopian.
> There's nothing dystopian about that.
It'll be dystopian when that'll become your only source of information, and we're working on getting there. If you want to be horrified, look at what students (in school and post-secondary) are doing these days.
It's insane to offload your thinking and knowledge to a machine owned by other people, but you have to if you want to keep up with the rat race.
It’s probably a good idea to know how to use AI tools, but it certainly doesn’t have to be your only source of information.
> I suspect Anthropic had to turn up its safety guardrails to an 11 to assuage the government’s concerns, as this hasn’t been a one-model problem.
This behavioral change is actually official (https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5):
> For Fable 5, we made this safety margin much larger than in any prior launch (row B), meaning that many more benign requests would be blocked. We understood that these kinds of false positives would be frustrating for users, but made this tradeoff in the interest of making the model’s other capabilities widely available.
You've got to understand, proprietary models operate as the following:
- release: full precision, debrided, uncapped context
- shortly after, hooked: quantized, governance department slammed, and a pseudo large context, attention reduced to start and end of thread.
- down the road: 4bit quantized or worse with nerf incantation to make the next upcoming model feel amazing.
Rince and repeat.
From my point of view, a lot of frustration is tied to LLMs not evolving at the same rate/manner as people around you do.
We're using human language against a system that produces human-like output, which tricks our brain into having similar expectations.
I don’t think that this is the case. I’m using Claude the same way I did at the beginning of the year, and results are increasingly more untrustworthy and I don’t know how to say it, but they are “less” for same effort from my side.
It is super anecdotal, but I’m convinced that Claude peaked in January/April period and since then is on steady decline. And I don’t know what they do in background, but the older models (Opus 4.6 in particular) have degraded too. Same for codex but I use it less overall.
“You were right to push back on this”, “my previous claim was too broad” - this is super annoying
> Can AI have mental breakdowns?
I recall Microsoft's Sidney having a hilarious one regarding the date or something. Anyone have a link to that?
I love Claude Code and I don't use the rest of the models since I use ChatGPT for productivity work it. Fable is pretty great and the UI / UX is much better than codex
Opus 4.5 was the high point for me. It was like a mind-reader, it just got it and did pretty much exactly what I wanted.
Since then, I've been less impressed and I agree it feels a bit downhill. At work we are "stuck" on Opus 4.6 which is okay but I feel like that was when the deviant opinionated behaviour started to creep in.
It's a tool, I don't want my hammer to refuse to hammer a screw if I decide that is what I want to do today. I know it's wrong, but I'm the fucking boss.
Claude has never been the best Chat agent. GPT and Gemini have the lead there. But Claude chat is still perfectly serviceable if you don’t want to pay for two.
> Claude has never been the best
Hard disagree. It wasn’t that long ago that Gpt was clearly falling behind, and Gemini was like the “and also in the room”.
My claim is that this is due to alignment
I get really sick of Opus 4.8 and Fable telling me things i ask it at work are "out of scope," "not related to my ticket," "not the real problem"...
I decide what is in scope, what I work on, and what needs fixing! It drives me nuts, it's like it's trying to avoid doing work
Yeah, I went through a period after 4.7 launched of not using Claude for code work at all because of the condescending refusals. (Kept using it for planning and design work). Still had three pretty bad refusals from 4.8, but not the same quantity as from 4.7.
Claude.ai is pretty frustrating too. It will talk to me as if anything I ask for is below it. Could be the system prompt I use, but I did not have this issue with 4.6.
Yes, I tend to prefer GPT, but I can't remember having GPT ever refuse a direct instruction that wasn't an obvious ToS violation.
I hate it. A useful tip - Claude goes into what I call Safety Mode when it gets afraid of risk. Once it's in that mode, you will never get out and it lobotomizes its effective intelligence. As soon as Claude sends a message like this, use the "edit message" feature in the chat UI to try again and avoid Safety Mode rather than trying to convince it or redirect it out by continuing the conversation.
Claude always was slightly lobotomized - instead of solving problems intellectually, it often prefers to be a middle-level code monkey. Maybe this was a part of the implicit safe mode from the very beginning. Cursor/Codex always work better for a way lower spend, at least in my experience.
Sol is really good
Apart from the 'Approve for me' in Codex where it has massively regressed.
With GPT 5.5 it never got in the way.
Now it's infuriatingly deciding to reject the most basic actions used hundreds of times before. It just gave me this gem:
> The push to GitLab was blocked because the repository's privacy status couldn't be confirmed. Since the code is private, do you explicitly authorize pushing it to the configured origin on gitlab.com, so the merge request can be opened?
This is not a new project, and Codex has opened a hundred merge requests without issue before.
as long as you submit to the cloud's idea of what you're allowed to talk about, it'll keep changing the degree to which you're allowed to drink from the sacred fountain of knowledge.
This is more about how MBAs are wanting to mediate between you and the knowledge than anything else.
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But this is what all the tech bros wanted right? Spending 2025 panicking about sycophancy[1] and how GPT-4o needed to be shut down ASAP meant that 2026 models would be prone to thinking they know Better Than You. That was the germ of the sycophancy panic, the idea that there is a Truth that the GPUs know better than the user.
[1] HN thread on my post in January https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46488396
Goomba fallacy
I am ignoring Fable at the moment. It’s on and off available, twice the price and does not seem to be better.
I use Opus 4.8 with OMP/Pi coding agent and Matt Pocock Skills installed. I use professional/polite/questions-based communication pattern with Opus and it seems to work fine for coding. I am always aware that I need to justify my requests so it doesn’t barf.
Of course, I would never use Claude for anything customer-facing. It’s woke to the point of being fanatical.