> “It’s no secret, I disagree with the prime minister,” he said. “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night. Not just those who pose an immediate threat — there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people.”
The man used to have a shrine to a mass murderer in his home.
> Ben-Gvir is known for being a provocateur and has attracted headlines for a variety of reasons: threatening Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin on live television in 1995 shortly before his assassination; having had a portrait in his living room of Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish terrorist and mass murderer...
I find intensive marketing/PR efforts are often inversely correlated with the claims being made - whether it's products or geopolitics. Israel certainly engages in very intense marketing on certain fronts, but truth cannot be obscured forever. In Physics the law of conservation includes not only matter and energy, but also information (Information cannot be destroyed from the Universe).
It wasn't Smotrich that said this. It was Ben Gvir. And he said kill 30-40 terrorists (Militants, combatants, Hamas) which seems to be omitted from the reporting. But what do facts have to do with anything on this topic.
The specific comment was: ""מה עם להיות יותר התקפי? למה לא להוריד את כל החמושים בהלוויות? תוריד כמה פעמים באוויר בהלוויות. מדוע לא מעלים מסוק לאוויר והורגים 40-30 מחבלים?". שרת התחבורה מירי רגב הצטרפה לבן גביר ואמרה: "זה רעיון מצוין"."
So specifically terrorists. Generally challenging why Israel is not being more offensive against Hamas in Gaza. Nothing about going beyond those who pose danger and specific to armed combatants.
And I'm not fan of Ben Gvir or Smotrich. They are fanatic morons. But the reporting on this statement is biased and false just like most reporting on this conflict.
EDIT: he repeated some variation of this (apprently on his mind a lot): "אני חושב שאנחנו צריכים לעשות סיכולים ממוקדים בעזה, להוריד 30, 40, 50 מחבלים כל לילה." still referring to terrorists/combatants.
how could israel possibly be any more offensive in gaza? are you serious? would you agree everyone alive in gaza is a terrorist? because ben gvir would.
I think is why these topics tend to get flagged, because everyone takes the first opportunity to voice unrelated grievances. Maybe if we stick to the topic?
All four frontier models have active contracts with the Pentagon.
And some might say, that alone means little.
But when you take into consideration the implications of the United States-Israel FUTURES Act, whether one endorses it or not, the effects of that mentioned in TFA become quite formidable, and plausibly official.
Edit: I see this comment got immediately flagged. Is there any point of debate here? Instead of disappearing the comment/data, maybe enlighten me, or assuage my concerns. Section 219 was objectively unprecedented in what it seeks to accomplish. Can it not be taken for granted that it would aid such efforts as the article cites? If not, explain.
What is more interesting to me is how there’s searingly endless reporting on Israel doing this but virtually none on Qatar, Iran, and Turkey doing exactly the same thing on a far greater scale.
It's not surprising to see any number of players running these kinds of campaigns. LLMs are already influencing people at scale.
SEO was a powerful technique 20 years ago, but today the power lies in optimizing content for the ability to influence LLM training. LLM influence is a battle ground that marketing companies and political movements are contending for.
I think the difference is probably related to the ends being pursued by each of those states at the moment. Only one is engaged in what the UN, HRW, and most legal experts call a genocide. So influence operations in support of an ongoing genocide are just more noteworthy than your run-of-the-mill authoritarianism/corruption.
I think it may get a bit more attention in the US due to Section 219 of NDAA 2027, which does add more layers to the situation than say, Turkiye. The implications are on a different level. And with all four frontier models having contracts with the Pentagon, it has me thinking too.
The slave trade was a bloodbath. The Sassoon family opium trade and opium war was a bloodbath. Mao was a bloodbath. Stalin was a bloodbath. WWI and II were bloodbaths. The middle east was and is a bloodbath. Ukraine is a bloodbath.
It's more likely Qatar and Iran create fake news sites like "responsiblestatecraft.org" to try to destabilize the West. And foolish people on Hacker News fall for it.
I have been reading your comments for a decade here on HN. You are no moron. But I can see you lean toward a side here. Can you, if willing, view my flagged comment and correct me. If anyone can around here, you'd be a top contender. This is not bait. I am open minded. And I am also seriously concerned about 219, which is now 1217. I might not have to ask if the subject were discussed here or elsewhere, but it isn't. All I have is my own interpretation to rely on so far.
Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly.
So it is hilarious that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like that is out in the open.
Was he talking about civilians though? I'm guessing he wasn't.
https://apnews.com/article/ben-gvir-israel-gaza-hamas-netany...
> “It’s no secret, I disagree with the prime minister,” he said. “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night. Not just those who pose an immediate threat — there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people.”
The man used to have a shrine to a mass murderer in his home.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir
> Ben-Gvir is known for being a provocateur and has attracted headlines for a variety of reasons: threatening Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin on live television in 1995 shortly before his assassination; having had a portrait in his living room of Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish terrorist and mass murderer...
Does it matter?
I find intensive marketing/PR efforts are often inversely correlated with the claims being made - whether it's products or geopolitics. Israel certainly engages in very intense marketing on certain fronts, but truth cannot be obscured forever. In Physics the law of conservation includes not only matter and energy, but also information (Information cannot be destroyed from the Universe).
criticizing this means you’re antisemitic
Dupe? or manipulate ai chatbots to have favorable views of Israel?
It's amazing that they want to influence chatbots when they (Smotrich) publicly says:
“kill 30 or 40” people in Gaza every night and go beyond “those who pose a danger … at that particular moment”.
Why bother trying to influence public and online discourse when it's this blatant.
It wasn't Smotrich that said this. It was Ben Gvir. And he said kill 30-40 terrorists (Militants, combatants, Hamas) which seems to be omitted from the reporting. But what do facts have to do with anything on this topic.
The specific comment was: ""מה עם להיות יותר התקפי? למה לא להוריד את כל החמושים בהלוויות? תוריד כמה פעמים באוויר בהלוויות. מדוע לא מעלים מסוק לאוויר והורגים 40-30 מחבלים?". שרת התחבורה מירי רגב הצטרפה לבן גביר ואמרה: "זה רעיון מצוין"."
So specifically terrorists. Generally challenging why Israel is not being more offensive against Hamas in Gaza. Nothing about going beyond those who pose danger and specific to armed combatants.
And I'm not fan of Ben Gvir or Smotrich. They are fanatic morons. But the reporting on this statement is biased and false just like most reporting on this conflict.
EDIT: he repeated some variation of this (apprently on his mind a lot): "אני חושב שאנחנו צריכים לעשות סיכולים ממוקדים בעזה, להוריד 30, 40, 50 מחבלים כל לילה." still referring to terrorists/combatants.
[delayed]
Thank you for refining my point.
I stand corrected. They're still psychopaths though.
how could israel possibly be any more offensive in gaza? are you serious? would you agree everyone alive in gaza is a terrorist? because ben gvir would.
The area of Gaza that Israel doesn't control is still controlled by an armed Hamas. Estimated total force is of 15,000-20,000 armed combatants.
The current "plan" calls for their disarmament and the removal of all weapons from the Gaza strip.
And no, not everyone in Gaza is a terrorist, obviously.
I think is why these topics tend to get flagged, because everyone takes the first opportunity to voice unrelated grievances. Maybe if we stick to the topic?
"fake think tank" sounds a bit redundant
Indeed! How would you tell the difference for sure?
Why I think this is unusually important:
All four frontier models have active contracts with the Pentagon.
And some might say, that alone means little.
But when you take into consideration the implications of the United States-Israel FUTURES Act, whether one endorses it or not, the effects of that mentioned in TFA become quite formidable, and plausibly official.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States-Israel_FUTURES_A...
Edit: I see this comment got immediately flagged. Is there any point of debate here? Instead of disappearing the comment/data, maybe enlighten me, or assuage my concerns. Section 219 was objectively unprecedented in what it seeks to accomplish. Can it not be taken for granted that it would aid such efforts as the article cites? If not, explain.
that israel would create a fake think tank is just another old antisemitic trope right?
What is more interesting to me is how there’s searingly endless reporting on Israel doing this but virtually none on Qatar, Iran, and Turkey doing exactly the same thing on a far greater scale.
It's not surprising to see any number of players running these kinds of campaigns. LLMs are already influencing people at scale.
SEO was a powerful technique 20 years ago, but today the power lies in optimizing content for the ability to influence LLM training. LLM influence is a battle ground that marketing companies and political movements are contending for.
I think the difference is probably related to the ends being pursued by each of those states at the moment. Only one is engaged in what the UN, HRW, and most legal experts call a genocide. So influence operations in support of an ongoing genocide are just more noteworthy than your run-of-the-mill authoritarianism/corruption.
I think it may get a bit more attention in the US due to Section 219 of NDAA 2027, which does add more layers to the situation than say, Turkiye. The implications are on a different level. And with all four frontier models having contracts with the Pentagon, it has me thinking too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States-Israel_FUTURES_A...
Oh someone is badder than me so I’m allowed to do bad things.
If you only report a bad thing when the Jews do it, then that's anti-semitism. It's irrational and racist.
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49313477
@dang seriously? why is this not relevant?
This article was very relevant to my interests and what I hope to see on this site. I appreciate that you shared it.
he removes everything that does not align with his ideology. He is not at all opaque about this.
This doesn't align with my experience - but happy to be proven wrong if evidence can be produced.
Do you have evidence?
The slave trade was a bloodbath. The Sassoon family opium trade and opium war was a bloodbath. Mao was a bloodbath. Stalin was a bloodbath. WWI and II were bloodbaths. The middle east was and is a bloodbath. Ukraine is a bloodbath.
It's more likely Qatar and Iran create fake news sites like "responsiblestatecraft.org" to try to destabilize the West. And foolish people on Hacker News fall for it.
I have been reading your comments for a decade here on HN. You are no moron. But I can see you lean toward a side here. Can you, if willing, view my flagged comment and correct me. If anyone can around here, you'd be a top contender. This is not bait. I am open minded. And I am also seriously concerned about 219, which is now 1217. I might not have to ask if the subject were discussed here or elsewhere, but it isn't. All I have is my own interpretation to rely on so far.
Edit: Would this qualify also as fake news: https://www.wsj.com/politics/israels-50-million-experiment-t...
If so, please explain
Edit: I think I grabbed the wrong link. I intended to find the equivalent of this: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-funded-465m-camp...
Edit 2: Correction: both apply.