The efforts to sabotage and disband central planning started as early as 1954.
In 1954 an executive order of 14 Oct 1954 reduced the amount of administrative personnel by 450 thousands.
The amount of metrics went down from 9 940 to 6 308 in 1954, to 3 081 in 1955, and to 1 780 in 1958.
Khrushchev moved most of the planning power from central planning institution to the regions and down to the factories and enterprises. What previously was strict targets from the center now became soft suggestions.
Article misses those basic things completely and instead goes into tangential theoretic topics and even goes to state things like that:
central planners preferred to use the CIA’s analyses of certain Russian commodities rather than reports from local Party bosses
Source: the comment #162 in some blog. Talking about quality of the data...
Fine you know more History but I don't think that the point of the article is to be historically accurate but rather to provide a theoretical explanation of why centrally planned economy is in fact quite difficult because of combinatorial explosion
V. Gluskov designed OGAS to help with planned economy but for whatever reason it got denied funding. Decades later we're trying to make AI do just that on global scale.
From WIKI:
In 2016, a book dedicated to OGAS was published in the US, entitled How Not to Network a Nation: The Uneasy History of the Soviet Internet, by Benjamin Peters, professor at University of Tulsa. Harvard University professor Jonathan Zittrain commented that the book "fills an important gap in the Internet's history, highlighting the ways in which generativity and openness have been essential to networked innovation".[15] A reviewer of the book at MIT wrote:[16] "Soviet attempts to build a national computer network were undone by socialists who seemed to behave like capitalists".
And with modern analytics it’s harder to make up the numbers like they did. Also cheaper to transmit and centralize the data, especially with some IOT type stuff. Doesn’t make it immune to human nature, but modern tech reduces the friction and increases the transparency.
Markets are optimal but capitalism is not. If you let supply and demand set prices but don't allow extracting value you get an economy that is both fair and efficient. The rule is all profits must be reinvested or paid out to workers and the state can impose price controls if margins are too high.
Yugoslavia tried it and they had the best economy from the eastern bloc growing faster than a lot of the west. China and Vietnam went further in their reforms and allowed private investment but they still kept state owned corporations instead of privatizing everything, and they don't worship markets and property like America does.
I don't think it's an accident that all these mixed economies got ahead of pure socialist or capitalist systems.
It is worrying that in the first "describing history" he describes the main data quality problem being that factory managers and party bosses outright lied to the central planners and to the communist party in Moscow, and then totally disregards that problem in the data quality issues for the future. Elsewhere you find the same: the very people who needed to secure against lying factory managers simply took their cut.
I've heard the same problem described from Chinese people as occurring on an equally large scale in China, even now. That what people the control Beijing has is vastly overstated due to the very widespread lying to acquire resources. Followed by complaints that the lying goes the other way as well: local governments telling home owners that a rail line will be built through their house, "disown them" with documents nobody in government knows about, then a company owned by a party boss builds a new house there and sells it, or doesn't even build anything, just sells the house they just acquired through fraud. Same with businesses.
I'm not sure what the fix is for this, but I can imagine that this is how the game is played in any authoritarian system. I doubt it will be much of a challenge to lie to the "internet of things".
The efforts to sabotage and disband central planning started as early as 1954.
In 1954 an executive order of 14 Oct 1954 reduced the amount of administrative personnel by 450 thousands.
The amount of metrics went down from 9 940 to 6 308 in 1954, to 3 081 in 1955, and to 1 780 in 1958.
Khrushchev moved most of the planning power from central planning institution to the regions and down to the factories and enterprises. What previously was strict targets from the center now became soft suggestions.
Article misses those basic things completely and instead goes into tangential theoretic topics and even goes to state things like that:
Source: the comment #162 in some blog. Talking about quality of the data...Fine you know more History but I don't think that the point of the article is to be historically accurate but rather to provide a theoretical explanation of why centrally planned economy is in fact quite difficult because of combinatorial explosion
V. Gluskov designed OGAS to help with planned economy but for whatever reason it got denied funding. Decades later we're trying to make AI do just that on global scale.
From WIKI:
In 2016, a book dedicated to OGAS was published in the US, entitled How Not to Network a Nation: The Uneasy History of the Soviet Internet, by Benjamin Peters, professor at University of Tulsa. Harvard University professor Jonathan Zittrain commented that the book "fills an important gap in the Internet's history, highlighting the ways in which generativity and openness have been essential to networked innovation".[15] A reviewer of the book at MIT wrote:[16] "Soviet attempts to build a national computer network were undone by socialists who seemed to behave like capitalists".
Probably a lesson in all this for management-by-poorly-conceived-metrics dashboard enjoyers
I suspect that you can definitely use planned economy tools down to a certain scale and then let the markets sort the rest.
At some level, Indian and Chinese economies have their development centrally planned, not just financially regulated, like in the West.
And with modern analytics it’s harder to make up the numbers like they did. Also cheaper to transmit and centralize the data, especially with some IOT type stuff. Doesn’t make it immune to human nature, but modern tech reduces the friction and increases the transparency.
https://bactra.org/weblog/918.html
In USSR, Optimization Solves You.
Markets are optimal but capitalism is not. If you let supply and demand set prices but don't allow extracting value you get an economy that is both fair and efficient. The rule is all profits must be reinvested or paid out to workers and the state can impose price controls if margins are too high.
Yugoslavia tried it and they had the best economy from the eastern bloc growing faster than a lot of the west. China and Vietnam went further in their reforms and allowed private investment but they still kept state owned corporations instead of privatizing everything, and they don't worship markets and property like America does.
I don't think it's an accident that all these mixed economies got ahead of pure socialist or capitalist systems.
Do you have any source defending your point better than you can in small comment ? I am interested but a bit unconvinced so far
(2016) but still worth the read
Ooopsie. Sorry I can't edit anymore. @dang Would be kind enough to add the year ? (I know this is not supposed to work but I know it works)
It is worrying that in the first "describing history" he describes the main data quality problem being that factory managers and party bosses outright lied to the central planners and to the communist party in Moscow, and then totally disregards that problem in the data quality issues for the future. Elsewhere you find the same: the very people who needed to secure against lying factory managers simply took their cut.
I've heard the same problem described from Chinese people as occurring on an equally large scale in China, even now. That what people the control Beijing has is vastly overstated due to the very widespread lying to acquire resources. Followed by complaints that the lying goes the other way as well: local governments telling home owners that a rail line will be built through their house, "disown them" with documents nobody in government knows about, then a company owned by a party boss builds a new house there and sells it, or doesn't even build anything, just sells the house they just acquired through fraud. Same with businesses.
I'm not sure what the fix is for this, but I can imagine that this is how the game is played in any authoritarian system. I doubt it will be much of a challenge to lie to the "internet of things".
The fix is to realize that if your system requires changing human behavior you should downweight it against alternatives