I’m convinced many of the highly energetic opposition movements is foreign-born. Particularly those that are relatively spontaneous and nonsensically partisan.
Idk about "foreign born movements", but the more nonsensical and extreme the group's demands the more likely it is they've been signal boosted by foreign actors. Political gridlock and endless polarising rethoric is the goal.
Agreed. The people with the 24/7 60dB hum or the black undrinkable tap water or the tripled electric bill or no electricity at all starting next year are surely just mad because China told them to be mad.
this is a news story reported as unambiguous fact, but only based on claims from a single source.
and that single source has a pretty strong motivation for why they might lie or exaggerate the claims - X runs AI data centers and is facing criticism over them. it's in their interest to be able to portray that opposition as astroturfed by foreign interests.
Are all of China's problems caused by the US then?
Or contrary to your beliefs, does people have their own home grown problems and should seek to solve them instead of looking at the other nearby tribe to blame.
So fun seeing Americans blame Russia for their issues with racism and China for their issues of bad infrastructure. As if both didn't predate the founding of those countries.
by focusing your question on "what is China doing?" you're already buying in to the framing that this propaganda is pushing - that Chinese people are sneaky and deceitful and we should be worried about what they're doing because obviously they must be doing something aimed at fucking with the US.
On X, allegedly. Extraordinary claims by social media networks owned by habitual liars requires extraordinary evidence. Certainly sounds like someone heavily invested in AI is attempting to craft a narrative. Show us the data and the proof.
> Roughly 200 accounts from a suspected Chinese bot farm have quietly tried to influence Americans to oppose AI data centers on social media, X said Thursday night.
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> The X Safety team conducted an investigation into suspected Chinese inauthentic accounts involved in influence operations:
> We identified a bot farm of approximately 200,000 accounts. Within this farm, we found 200 accounts posting in a manner that could manipulate a legitimate debate about American AI and energy policy.
> These posts contained claims that AI data centers are driving up household electricity prices and straining the grid. Others included AI-generated cartoons that depicted data-center operators enriching themselves at the public's expense.
> We remain committed to maintaining an open and authentic platform where people debate topics of public interest. We take seriously any attempts to undermine the integrity of the global town square and suspend accounts that violate our Authenticity policy.
I do not get paid to campaign against data centers, and continue to do so at my own expense. There is no evidence “winning” an “AI race” would be meaningful against another nation state, except to those who would stand to benefit economically, either from long term cash flows or the short term capital investment bubble.
The folks ignoring the externalities of the US data center buildout in relation to the AI investment capital bubble are hopeless in this regard, I have no doubt they cannot be convinced otherwise. Like a religion, their beliefs and mental model are fixed. And so policy restricting data centers, temporary or permanent, is the only path to success. Federal, state, local, whatever can get enacted, as long as it takes until the capital bubble pops.
Humans are irrational, from your lowly NPC all the way up to heads of state. Why did the US attack Iran? Because Netanyahu took advantage of a low functioning narcissist in a position of power. Only one example, there are many.
Unsurprising.
I’m convinced many of the highly energetic opposition movements is foreign-born. Particularly those that are relatively spontaneous and nonsensically partisan.
Idk about "foreign born movements", but the more nonsensical and extreme the group's demands the more likely it is they've been signal boosted by foreign actors. Political gridlock and endless polarising rethoric is the goal.
I have to use AI everyday, and I just wish it was 2002 again.. this isn’t funny anymore.. I don’t want to live like this.
Agreed. The people with the 24/7 60dB hum or the black undrinkable tap water or the tripled electric bill or no electricity at all starting next year are surely just mad because China told them to be mad.
> X said Thursday night.
this is a news story reported as unambiguous fact, but only based on claims from a single source.
and that single source has a pretty strong motivation for why they might lie or exaggerate the claims - X runs AI data centers and is facing criticism over them. it's in their interest to be able to portray that opposition as astroturfed by foreign interests.
what would surprise you more:
a) China is fueling US data center rage, or
b) China is not fueling US data center rage
Are all of China's problems caused by the US then? Or contrary to your beliefs, does people have their own home grown problems and should seek to solve them instead of looking at the other nearby tribe to blame.
So fun seeing Americans blame Russia for their issues with racism and China for their issues of bad infrastructure. As if both didn't predate the founding of those countries.
by focusing your question on "what is China doing?" you're already buying in to the framing that this propaganda is pushing - that Chinese people are sneaky and deceitful and we should be worried about what they're doing because obviously they must be doing something aimed at fucking with the US.
It will be ironic if China-fuelled opposition to data centres in the US is what makes orbital data-centres economically viable. A bit of an own-goal.
I mean foreign actors are probably trying to exacerbate every online fight, but two things can be true at once.
On X, allegedly. Extraordinary claims by social media networks owned by habitual liars requires extraordinary evidence. Certainly sounds like someone heavily invested in AI is attempting to craft a narrative. Show us the data and the proof.
> Roughly 200 accounts from a suspected Chinese bot farm have quietly tried to influence Americans to oppose AI data centers on social media, X said Thursday night.
——
> The X Safety team conducted an investigation into suspected Chinese inauthentic accounts involved in influence operations:
> We identified a bot farm of approximately 200,000 accounts. Within this farm, we found 200 accounts posting in a manner that could manipulate a legitimate debate about American AI and energy policy.
> These posts contained claims that AI data centers are driving up household electricity prices and straining the grid. Others included AI-generated cartoons that depicted data-center operators enriching themselves at the public's expense.
> We remain committed to maintaining an open and authentic platform where people debate topics of public interest. We take seriously any attempts to undermine the integrity of the global town square and suspend accounts that violate our Authenticity policy.
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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says China isn't behind the anti-data-center debate - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49492188 - August 2026
Politicians Who Once Championed Data Centers Are Now Bashing Them - https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/politicians-who-once-cha... - August 20th, 2026
what would surprise you more:
a) China is fueling US data center rage, or
b) China is not fueling US data center rage
A.
I do not get paid to campaign against data centers, and continue to do so at my own expense. There is no evidence “winning” an “AI race” would be meaningful against another nation state, except to those who would stand to benefit economically, either from long term cash flows or the short term capital investment bubble.
The folks ignoring the externalities of the US data center buildout in relation to the AI investment capital bubble are hopeless in this regard, I have no doubt they cannot be convinced otherwise. Like a religion, their beliefs and mental model are fixed. And so policy restricting data centers, temporary or permanent, is the only path to success. Federal, state, local, whatever can get enacted, as long as it takes until the capital bubble pops.
> There is no evidence “winning” an “AI race” would be meaningful against another nation state
Evidence or not: the US and China are racing as if the AI leader will lead the world for the next 100 or 1000 years.
I’m sure you’d agree.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/myth-ai-race
Humans are irrational, from your lowly NPC all the way up to heads of state. Why did the US attack Iran? Because Netanyahu took advantage of a low functioning narcissist in a position of power. Only one example, there are many.
> Humans are irrational, from your lowly NPC all the way up to heads of state. Why did the US attack Iran?
I don’t know what tangent you’ve now chosen to ride! Bon voyage!
You asked, I answered. Sorry if you don’t like the answers, and your continued replies to my comments. That’s a choice.