I have two issues with AI coding. The first is how giant trillion dollar companies are profiting off the accumulated labour of mostly open source developers who mostly offered their work for free. Open source had this pattern too but there was a kind of give and take that is not present here. The other is the atrophying of my own skills. That’s one of the reasons I don’t use it for my side projects since it’s become a requirement in my day job and I don’t want to forget how to code.
This creates a grey area for things like a personal blog. If you’re not trying to maintain skills, yeah I wish we could avoid supporting these companies, but I can’t be a hypocrite seeing as I have to use them for work, and I use my provided account as a personal tutor to learn cool stuff.
“I've learned a lot about using a tool like this but the biggest result is that development has lost its joy. There were no challenges, there were no puzzles, no hurdles to overcome. The biggest lesson is that software development is now about the destination not the journey, the journey is for the agent. If that's the case then the joy now has to be thinking about what is possible. I have built features into this site that I never would have on my own.”
I really appreciate these words. I am not a professional developer, and my code to this point has been limited to VBA and writing excel formulas (if that’s even coding).
I’ve recently started work on a full-blown Mac App. I’ve had the idea for years, but never the expertise. It’s not something I’d ever pay someone for either, mainly because it would be expensive and I don’t know if there’s a market for it. But I got a Pro subscription, fired up Xcode and got to work. Within minutes I had a proof of concept. Less than a month later, and I’ve got what I consider to be a nearly finished app with more features than I’d ever considered.
In the interim, I’ve also vibe-coded up two quick single-page web tools to my (and my wife’s) specifications. Things that I could describe, but would have taken me so much time to learn and build that I just wouldn’t have bothered.
>or they can't figure out how to become profitable after all this.
The AI white pills will argue they already are vastly profitable - although they always, always leave out the small detail of externalities (AI R&D costs and data center-related capex). Of course if you remove the two largest costs, the thing will be profitable.
My intuition is that ultimately the US federal government sustains the whole thing financially, and profitability questions will be dismissed for as long as it continues to do so
I always feel bad and guilty when coding with ai support or with an agent. This is the new way and things can be done that seemed impossible but I always have a bad feeling
I always feel bad and guilty when coding with emacs, giving me such an unfair advantage over people using vi. This is the old way and things can be done that seemed impossible but I always have a bad feeling for vi users.
I've written at least hundreds of thousands of lines of Java code in my career, possibly over a million. I used to be extremely fast at building new features when I worked on a MLOC Java app I'd architected from the ground up. A huge percentage of the characters in that code were not typed by me, but were generated by my IDE.
Did I have an unfair advantage compared to the guys who were trying to get by using Notepad and the commandline?
This is a silly post. No one is forcing this guy to do anything. He did it because he didn't want to take the time to learn to do this all himself or simplify his expectations so that he'd have to learn less. Or he did it because he wanted to and liked the way the website looks and it was easy and he may not actually care too much about the ethics (at least not as much as who ever he's asking forgiveness from).
Your mission is not to build software, it's to share your collection of cool typewriters with the world. And your AI built website helps you do that! It shares your YT channel, and now I know a bit more about typewriters. Thank you for building your site with AI and for building your collection with passion. Do you have a typewriter room somewhere?
I think you missed the message of the post -- sure, the typewriters are ostensibly the objective of the website, but there was a separate, interesting challenge that he enjoyed for, you know, human reasons: it's fun to learn new things and apply what you learned. In this case, it's software development, but it could easily be learning how to fix a car, how to cook a certain cuisine, how to play an instrument.
Sure, the mission is the end goal: having a fixed car, a completed meal, a sonata you can rehearse. These are all good for you, the viewer, to admire. But that's not where the enjoyment comes from for the creator. It's completely empty satisfaction.
the real risk with an ai built personal blog isn't getting hacked, it's what happens when something breaks and you have no mental model of the code to even know where to look
This is not much different for hiring a contractor to build your personal blog. What happens when something breaks and you have no mental model of the code to know where to look? You call up the contractor to fix it. You have simply outsourced the problem.
The mistake in logic here the assumption that having AI build your personal blog means that you build the personal blog. You did not. There should be no more expectation of having a mental model than if you got another human to do it.
Lol fixing a bug in a simple personal blog is WAY above the paygrade of latest Claude/OAI models.
It will literally one shot fix any bug that is ever found in such simple application.
The agent is your mental model. As someone who held pride in his ability to dive into unknown codebases and quickly figure out how they tick, Agents just do it more efficiently. Even if I have to follow up on what the agent finds, it's so much faster and efficient to have an agent in the mix.
No problem, just have the AI fix it, or build it again from scratch. If it's done it once it can do it again. Unless you lose access to the AI, which is what I worry about.
By construction, a personal blog is very likely to break unexpectedly compared to other types of vibecoded projects because a) the scope is very narrow and b) there is only one user.
> To be clear, none of the content, but the site engine itself is all AI built.
Feels a bit odd to apologise for this. I mean the only downside is you might get hacked if you don't understand your code or what it might be missing, but it's a personal blog, so I don't really see what real damage this would do or why you'd have to apologise for trying something out, whatever tools you use.
If you'd used AI to generate the content that would be a different matter, and is what people complain about as it is killing the internet. Instagram for example is now completely infested with AI generated slop, posting huge dollops of slop under videos that nobody ever reads.
> I don't really see what damage this would do or why you'd have to apologise.
FTFA:
> I didn't learn these libraries. Hell I barely know which libraries I've built on top of! Open source development used to run on attribution, how can I attribute what I barely know I've consumed?! Why would those developers continue to work on these projects when they now go even more unappreciated than they used to be?! I assume many have stopped.
> And those are just the libraries. The code it is generating is synthesized from being trained on code they have sucked out of the public (and perhaps not so public) internet. Code like my own from my own Github page and many many others, all without attribution or compensation. I could have paid someone to build it, freelance software development used to be a thing, but I didn't. I bet that market is pretty dry these days.
You know how we used to have little badges on sites like "built with react" or occasionally Wysiwyg editors?
Why not just have that at the bottom for whatever agent you used. That would give a good picture of the state of the art of agents and tooling and devs could show off their set up in a standard way.
Then people could create their own custom models with silly names like Linux distributions or cannabis strains, and then it would be all about fashion and branding.
I recently redesigned my own blog (https://minimaxir.com) during some experiments into how well modern LLMs can be conditioned into not outputting the stereotypical telltale designs of web vibecoded slop; it worked well enough (although more difficult than expected) and "how to design a website using agents that doesn't look like an agent made it" might be a fun topic for a blog post as there were a few gotchas.
The main reason I did the redesign is because my blog is running Hugo + PaperMod theme, which is becoming too popular and it makes blogs no longer stand out. There were also a few features/shortcodes I wanted added (better video support, better sidenote support, etc) that give me more tools for blogging.
How is your site not an example of your stereotypical web design? No unique design choices, no unique color palettes, just one single column for content with massive amounts of white space; it looks like any other generic dev blog.
Stereotypical modifies "vibecoded slop", not web design in general. As someone who has worked with blog coding for over a decade and attempted to actually do unique design choices, it is a generally bad idea to do so unless you have both a) a good design sense and b) analytics to test such that your unique designs don't actually make things worse. Blogs have converged to a one-column layout for a reason.
I have built several web sites using AI only. I'm a coder so I could do web development if I wanted, but it's tedious and I hate it.
I've created 3 sites now with a few prompts, and then a few iterative prompts afterwards and they are all fully functioning and looks great. I didn't look at the code once, because I don't care.
One of the sites had a simulated 2D-style map on it. I asked it to convert it to a 3D image. That's all I asked. It did it in 1 minute, and now all my figures which used to be stick figures are all fully functioning 3D humans, the environment is 3D and I can rotate it by dragging and clicking, I didn't even ask for that. I asked to add the ability to interact with the environment with clicks and I also prompted for the ability to pick up the humans with the cursor and drop them, and to have them flail their arms and kick their legs while they were picked up like Nintendo Wii.
It took me about 10 mins and it works perfectly.
Web development is absolutely dead. The only place I see for growth is for high volume web sites (10k rps) where ordinary techniques won't work, but those are few and far between.
Your question seems disengenuous, and it’s not clear you read the post. But I would reckon many of us are having very similar experiences with how our daily activities are shaking out. The author’s story likely resonates with many devs here, who lament the loss of what many of them found interesting or compelling about the work they did.
I have two issues with AI coding. The first is how giant trillion dollar companies are profiting off the accumulated labour of mostly open source developers who mostly offered their work for free. Open source had this pattern too but there was a kind of give and take that is not present here. The other is the atrophying of my own skills. That’s one of the reasons I don’t use it for my side projects since it’s become a requirement in my day job and I don’t want to forget how to code.
This creates a grey area for things like a personal blog. If you’re not trying to maintain skills, yeah I wish we could avoid supporting these companies, but I can’t be a hypocrite seeing as I have to use them for work, and I use my provided account as a personal tutor to learn cool stuff.
What’s wrong with using work offered for free?
“I've learned a lot about using a tool like this but the biggest result is that development has lost its joy. There were no challenges, there were no puzzles, no hurdles to overcome. The biggest lesson is that software development is now about the destination not the journey, the journey is for the agent. If that's the case then the joy now has to be thinking about what is possible. I have built features into this site that I never would have on my own.”
I really appreciate these words. I am not a professional developer, and my code to this point has been limited to VBA and writing excel formulas (if that’s even coding).
I’ve recently started work on a full-blown Mac App. I’ve had the idea for years, but never the expertise. It’s not something I’d ever pay someone for either, mainly because it would be expensive and I don’t know if there’s a market for it. But I got a Pro subscription, fired up Xcode and got to work. Within minutes I had a proof of concept. Less than a month later, and I’ve got what I consider to be a nearly finished app with more features than I’d ever considered.
In the interim, I’ve also vibe-coded up two quick single-page web tools to my (and my wife’s) specifications. Things that I could describe, but would have taken me so much time to learn and build that I just wouldn’t have bothered.
>or they can't figure out how to become profitable after all this.
The AI white pills will argue they already are vastly profitable - although they always, always leave out the small detail of externalities (AI R&D costs and data center-related capex). Of course if you remove the two largest costs, the thing will be profitable.
My intuition is that ultimately the US federal government sustains the whole thing financially, and profitability questions will be dismissed for as long as it continues to do so
I always feel bad and guilty when coding with ai support or with an agent. This is the new way and things can be done that seemed impossible but I always have a bad feeling
I always feel bad and guilty when coding with emacs, giving me such an unfair advantage over people using vi. This is the old way and things can be done that seemed impossible but I always have a bad feeling for vi users.
I've written at least hundreds of thousands of lines of Java code in my career, possibly over a million. I used to be extremely fast at building new features when I worked on a MLOC Java app I'd architected from the ground up. A huge percentage of the characters in that code were not typed by me, but were generated by my IDE.
Did I have an unfair advantage compared to the guys who were trying to get by using Notepad and the commandline?
This is a silly post. No one is forcing this guy to do anything. He did it because he didn't want to take the time to learn to do this all himself or simplify his expectations so that he'd have to learn less. Or he did it because he wanted to and liked the way the website looks and it was easy and he may not actually care too much about the ethics (at least not as much as who ever he's asking forgiveness from).
Your mission is not to build software, it's to share your collection of cool typewriters with the world. And your AI built website helps you do that! It shares your YT channel, and now I know a bit more about typewriters. Thank you for building your site with AI and for building your collection with passion. Do you have a typewriter room somewhere?
I think you missed the message of the post -- sure, the typewriters are ostensibly the objective of the website, but there was a separate, interesting challenge that he enjoyed for, you know, human reasons: it's fun to learn new things and apply what you learned. In this case, it's software development, but it could easily be learning how to fix a car, how to cook a certain cuisine, how to play an instrument.
Sure, the mission is the end goal: having a fixed car, a completed meal, a sonata you can rehearse. These are all good for you, the viewer, to admire. But that's not where the enjoyment comes from for the creator. It's completely empty satisfaction.
And, bit by bit, humans start to lose.
the real risk with an ai built personal blog isn't getting hacked, it's what happens when something breaks and you have no mental model of the code to even know where to look
This is not much different for hiring a contractor to build your personal blog. What happens when something breaks and you have no mental model of the code to know where to look? You call up the contractor to fix it. You have simply outsourced the problem.
The mistake in logic here the assumption that having AI build your personal blog means that you build the personal blog. You did not. There should be no more expectation of having a mental model than if you got another human to do it.
Lol fixing a bug in a simple personal blog is WAY above the paygrade of latest Claude/OAI models. It will literally one shot fix any bug that is ever found in such simple application.
The agent is your mental model. As someone who held pride in his ability to dive into unknown codebases and quickly figure out how they tick, Agents just do it more efficiently. Even if I have to follow up on what the agent finds, it's so much faster and efficient to have an agent in the mix.
No problem, just have the AI fix it, or build it again from scratch. If it's done it once it can do it again. Unless you lose access to the AI, which is what I worry about.
idk when most ppl's cars break down, they dont have the mental model to fix their cars either
we've been here / done this before, but in other journeys and with other "vehicles"
this is just another kind of vehicle, in a field where vehicles never existed
By construction, a personal blog is very likely to break unexpectedly compared to other types of vibecoded projects because a) the scope is very narrow and b) there is only one user.
aka the purpose of 'Ask' mode. These new tools require one to 'Think Different'
My problem with AI is never going to be "It replaced Squarespace for small websites"
I forgive you.
Thanks for your perspective on things!
> To be clear, none of the content, but the site engine itself is all AI built.
Feels a bit odd to apologise for this. I mean the only downside is you might get hacked if you don't understand your code or what it might be missing, but it's a personal blog, so I don't really see what real damage this would do or why you'd have to apologise for trying something out, whatever tools you use.
If you'd used AI to generate the content that would be a different matter, and is what people complain about as it is killing the internet. Instagram for example is now completely infested with AI generated slop, posting huge dollops of slop under videos that nobody ever reads.
> I don't really see what damage this would do or why you'd have to apologise.
FTFA:
> I didn't learn these libraries. Hell I barely know which libraries I've built on top of! Open source development used to run on attribution, how can I attribute what I barely know I've consumed?! Why would those developers continue to work on these projects when they now go even more unappreciated than they used to be?! I assume many have stopped.
> And those are just the libraries. The code it is generating is synthesized from being trained on code they have sucked out of the public (and perhaps not so public) internet. Code like my own from my own Github page and many many others, all without attribution or compensation. I could have paid someone to build it, freelance software development used to be a thing, but I didn't. I bet that market is pretty dry these days.
The Freelance web dev market for personal blogs dried up about 20 or more years ago, but I suppose the author doesn’t know that.
Using things inspired by open source for personal use is in the spirit of most licences IMO. Again not something to worry about.
I’d say security should be a bigger worry for them.
You know how we used to have little badges on sites like "built with react" or occasionally Wysiwyg editors?
Why not just have that at the bottom for whatever agent you used. That would give a good picture of the state of the art of agents and tooling and devs could show off their set up in a standard way.
Then people could create their own custom models with silly names like Linux distributions or cannabis strains, and then it would be all about fashion and branding.
I know: Web rings for agents!
I recently redesigned my own blog (https://minimaxir.com) during some experiments into how well modern LLMs can be conditioned into not outputting the stereotypical telltale designs of web vibecoded slop; it worked well enough (although more difficult than expected) and "how to design a website using agents that doesn't look like an agent made it" might be a fun topic for a blog post as there were a few gotchas.
The main reason I did the redesign is because my blog is running Hugo + PaperMod theme, which is becoming too popular and it makes blogs no longer stand out. There were also a few features/shortcodes I wanted added (better video support, better sidenote support, etc) that give me more tools for blogging.
How is your site not an example of your stereotypical web design? No unique design choices, no unique color palettes, just one single column for content with massive amounts of white space; it looks like any other generic dev blog.
Stereotypical modifies "vibecoded slop", not web design in general. As someone who has worked with blog coding for over a decade and attempted to actually do unique design choices, it is a generally bad idea to do so unless you have both a) a good design sense and b) analytics to test such that your unique designs don't actually make things worse. Blogs have converged to a one-column layout for a reason.
I have built several web sites using AI only. I'm a coder so I could do web development if I wanted, but it's tedious and I hate it.
I've created 3 sites now with a few prompts, and then a few iterative prompts afterwards and they are all fully functioning and looks great. I didn't look at the code once, because I don't care.
One of the sites had a simulated 2D-style map on it. I asked it to convert it to a 3D image. That's all I asked. It did it in 1 minute, and now all my figures which used to be stick figures are all fully functioning 3D humans, the environment is 3D and I can rotate it by dragging and clicking, I didn't even ask for that. I asked to add the ability to interact with the environment with clicks and I also prompted for the ability to pick up the humans with the cursor and drop them, and to have them flail their arms and kick their legs while they were picked up like Nintendo Wii.
It took me about 10 mins and it works perfectly.
Web development is absolutely dead. The only place I see for growth is for high volume web sites (10k rps) where ordinary techniques won't work, but those are few and far between.
Why is that on HN at all?
Your question seems disengenuous, and it’s not clear you read the post. But I would reckon many of us are having very similar experiences with how our daily activities are shaking out. The author’s story likely resonates with many devs here, who lament the loss of what many of them found interesting or compelling about the work they did.
Why are you?