Feels huge. Sounds like Luna on their Ultrafast infra.
I did some internal benchmarking and found that GPT 6 Luna in batch mode at 20 records per batch was about 1.6x faster at 1.2x the cost of Jev with no tradeoff in accuracy. Tuning it up/down would make it faster per-record while also reducing the cost (assuming accuracy holds). Though this was only useful for offline processing.
This could and probably is me projecting, but the enthusiasm was tepid. The Opus 5.5 mog cast a pall on the room.
The stuff that came off as potentially exciting was the ultrafast stuff available only to Pro 500 users.
The reset button stuff was an embarrassment. Everything that was released today, in respect to the hype that the team projected on twitter, was a failure. The internal OpenAI slack is a hell of an echo chamber.
If that's true that restores my faith in humanity maybe they're cheering for stuff their friends were working on. Otherwise, the consumerism has reached a point where giving up on society and waiting for the next flood seems like a reasonable option.
It’s simply ridiculous. None of their 20 new features seem genuinely usable for day-to-day life; I’m struggling to find any use cases for them. I have no idea what they were thinking with "Dots". The "Super Fast" addition is nice and important, but it’s just one small bright spot in a hellscape of useless features.
This is a wild take to me, and I don't even use Codex! I've been on Cursor for a long time, but this is finally making me consider switching (especially since OpenAI models are leaving Cursor).
- Cloud Agents are awesome, super useful, I can't go back to working locally only
- Dots have a cheesy name, but they remind me of a more polished version of Cursor Projects, which I just started using this week. You talk to a single agent who serves as orchestrator and organizer, and spins up cloud agents as needed to do research and implementation tasks. So you can just dump stuff into the thread without worrying about interrupting ongoing work. Works great.
- Sign in with ChatGPT: how is this not major news? They're launching with partnerships with a bunch of harnesses so you can use your subscription outside of Codex.
- Slack integration: now that they have cloud agents, this is a no-brainer, cursor's slack integration is endlessly useful to me. I'm constantly tagging notifications from various services that get dumped into slack and having a cloud agent dig into more details or fix an issue
I could go on, 6.1 sol, ultrafast, etc. Wild that you think all this is useless. I guess we just work very differently.
"Cloud Agents" is just a blatant copy of Anthropic's offering. "Dots" is a copy of the Grok bot. Regarding the release of 6.1 Sol - I’m not dismissing it, and the model will likely be useful for many things, but come on: there is no way your flagship model doesn't compete with Sonnet 5.5. I can't say for sure, but there must be a reason they didn't show any benchmarks. The live demos were absolutely ridiculous. Sure, there are some useful features, but overall, it feels like they're missing the mark. Instead of simplifying AI usage, they're complicating it to the point where it's no longer clear where you're supposed to do anything.
I was talking about Cursor's Cloud Agents, which predate Anthropic's offering. Obviously they're all going in this direction, it's a no-brainer. I don't think calling it "useless" makes any sense just because Cursor and Anthropic were ahead of them there (if they were, I know nothing about Anthropic's cloud agent offering).
Well, it’s a bit of an exaggeration to say it was bad. It’s simply a matter of falling in line with the rest of the industry. I was expecting something of a higher standard or something new, so I’m disappointed.
Sign-in with sub accounts seems big. This is how I thought this was always supposed to be - the providers acting more like an OS/ecosystem-enabler.
Extensions into codex also seem cool.
The provider also eating the application stack at the same time, doesn't make too much sense. I don't want my team going all in on one provider versus the other. (things like the docs/slides/sites).
No one mentioning Decisions API?
Feels huge. Sounds like Luna on their Ultrafast infra.
I did some internal benchmarking and found that GPT 6 Luna in batch mode at 20 records per batch was about 1.6x faster at 1.2x the cost of Jev with no tradeoff in accuracy. Tuning it up/down would make it faster per-record while also reducing the cost (assuming accuracy holds). Though this was only useful for offline processing.
This could and probably is me projecting, but the enthusiasm was tepid. The Opus 5.5 mog cast a pall on the room.
The stuff that came off as potentially exciting was the ultrafast stuff available only to Pro 500 users.
The reset button stuff was an embarrassment. Everything that was released today, in respect to the hype that the team projected on twitter, was a failure. The internal OpenAI slack is a hell of an echo chamber.
It's all Anthropic's fault! :)
Didn't you see the crowd Wooo-ing and clapping when Sam Altman said "Today, we're announcing Dots"?
The crowd lost their minds before Sam even told them what Dots were.
He even called them out on it when announcing 6.1 Sol "You don't even know what it is yet"
Aren’t these crowds mostly people that work at the company? So you’re really cheering for the thing you built?
(I remember that being the explanation of why people would cheer at very lame things at Apple events.)
If that's true that restores my faith in humanity maybe they're cheering for stuff their friends were working on. Otherwise, the consumerism has reached a point where giving up on society and waiting for the next flood seems like a reasonable option.
It’s simply ridiculous. None of their 20 new features seem genuinely usable for day-to-day life; I’m struggling to find any use cases for them. I have no idea what they were thinking with "Dots". The "Super Fast" addition is nice and important, but it’s just one small bright spot in a hellscape of useless features.
This is a wild take to me, and I don't even use Codex! I've been on Cursor for a long time, but this is finally making me consider switching (especially since OpenAI models are leaving Cursor).
- Cloud Agents are awesome, super useful, I can't go back to working locally only
- Dots have a cheesy name, but they remind me of a more polished version of Cursor Projects, which I just started using this week. You talk to a single agent who serves as orchestrator and organizer, and spins up cloud agents as needed to do research and implementation tasks. So you can just dump stuff into the thread without worrying about interrupting ongoing work. Works great.
- Sign in with ChatGPT: how is this not major news? They're launching with partnerships with a bunch of harnesses so you can use your subscription outside of Codex.
- Slack integration: now that they have cloud agents, this is a no-brainer, cursor's slack integration is endlessly useful to me. I'm constantly tagging notifications from various services that get dumped into slack and having a cloud agent dig into more details or fix an issue
I could go on, 6.1 sol, ultrafast, etc. Wild that you think all this is useless. I guess we just work very differently.
"Cloud Agents" is just a blatant copy of Anthropic's offering. "Dots" is a copy of the Grok bot. Regarding the release of 6.1 Sol - I’m not dismissing it, and the model will likely be useful for many things, but come on: there is no way your flagship model doesn't compete with Sonnet 5.5. I can't say for sure, but there must be a reason they didn't show any benchmarks. The live demos were absolutely ridiculous. Sure, there are some useful features, but overall, it feels like they're missing the mark. Instead of simplifying AI usage, they're complicating it to the point where it's no longer clear where you're supposed to do anything.
I was talking about Cursor's Cloud Agents, which predate Anthropic's offering. Obviously they're all going in this direction, it's a no-brainer. I don't think calling it "useless" makes any sense just because Cursor and Anthropic were ahead of them there (if they were, I know nothing about Anthropic's cloud agent offering).
Well, it’s a bit of an exaggeration to say it was bad. It’s simply a matter of falling in line with the rest of the industry. I was expecting something of a higher standard or something new, so I’m disappointed.
Sign-in with sub accounts seems big. This is how I thought this was always supposed to be - the providers acting more like an OS/ecosystem-enabler.
Extensions into codex also seem cool.
The provider also eating the application stack at the same time, doesn't make too much sense. I don't want my team going all in on one provider versus the other. (things like the docs/slides/sites).
The big takeaway is they announced decision model API for Luna
wonder how the jev team feels here
i'm just glad i can use my Dootle Dots™ without context switching.