The one sentence in that long article that identifies the heart of the problem:
"It’s so expensive to dispose of waste legally that many people attempt to do it illegally."
This is one of those things where we just have to collectively bite the bullet and make it easy and cheap to dispose of things properly. Otherwise you get people dumping toxic waste in storm drains, throwing old tires and appliances in ravines, mixing dangerous contaminants into regular trash, or just putting their trash in other people's bins.
Where I am it costs $20 to properly dispose of an old can of paint. It costs about the same to dispose of any electronic item that has a screen. Even regular household garbage has to be put in special bags that cost about $2/each. All of this is a counterincentive to people disposing of their waste properly. And every few years the local waste manangement bureaucracy raises the rates.
Just build it into the base taxes that everyone pays. Make it "free" and easy for people to do the right thing.
The biggest contributors to waste are corporations by many, many orders of magniturde. If you added the tax on these materials at the point of sale then the people who are actually generating this toxic waste would be the ones paying for its (free) disposal.
> Where I am it costs $20 to properly dispose of an old can of paint.
That’s a good way to discourage proper disposal.
Modern latex paints are accepted in normal household garbage in most cities if allowed to dry out first, but oil based paints should be collected at proper locations. It’s actually getting hard to find oil based paints for sale, but you want to encourage people to dispose of them properly. When someone discovers 10 old paints in the basement of an old house it shouldn’t cost $200 to dispose of them.
All of the counties I’ve lived in (USA) long enough to have material to dispose of have provided free hazardous waste collection sites. The only hassle was maybe dealing with the government employee who didn’t want to help you do the mandatory sign-in and the minimal paperwork some required.
My current city also has annual hazardous waste pickup days. They’ll advertise in your neighborhood with flyers explaining what they will collect and where to take it. Very convenient to drop it off locally.
Charging people for small scale disposal is a very bad idea.
That’s exactly what the WEEE directive is in the UK/EU. I ran a company that manufactured and sold an electrical product and we had to pay an amount based on weight sold per quarter from memory. I have no idea if it’s actually used to help with disposal of end of life electrical waste but we paid a decent amount of 8 years of sales.
Exactly - if it's important, make it easy. Our town has an electronics drop-off and the only thing they could do to make it easier is make it open 24hrs, but I understand why it isn't.
Having to take a dead TV 60 miles to pay Best Buy to dispose of it was a non-starter for basically everyone.
Japan is crazy like this, in the countryside it's almost impossible to dispose of things easily. All through the autumn after rice harvest the fields just smell like burning plastic because it's just the easiest / cheapest way to get rid of it all.
Construction waste is also a major issue, insanely difficult to dispose of.
The more you try and "fix" the problem by piling on laws, the more you make it cost, and the more demand you create for illegal or questionably legal dumping and the more payoff you create to make it worth it.
Christ. What a quote. And how depressing it all is. The poor family...
> Eels are pretty hardy, says Alistair; they can even travel over land if they need to. To see them gasping and dying on the banks was heartbreaking. “It was apocalyptic.”
> The results found unusually high levels of heavy metals, ammonia levels that were “well outside acceptable limits for any freshwater life” and nitrogen levels that were “toxic to all aquatic life”.
It's quite a long article that deals with many problems the UK has regarding environmental protection, illegal waste dumping and so on. The lack of care and amount of damage is just shocking.
If you're familiar with aquatic biology and chemistry, the levels of ammonia and nitrogen required to cause harm to fish like this is staggering. These animals have evolved (in many cases, not all) to tolerate some pretty gross conditions. Killing fish this acutely takes incredibly poor conditions. Especially carp.
In Italy this sort of thing is usually run by and/or blamed on the mafia. It's scary to think that the UK can do this to itself without needing the mafia involved.
What’s the proportion of local crime syndicates having local roots vs Eastern European roots? Is it even or is it lopsided? I really don’t know but have them impression it’s anglos but also lots from other parts of Europe.
There are those in the U.K. who are not beyond equating Thatcherism and the Mafia. It has had long-ranging effects like this for almost 4 decades. The Thatcher government was not truly a criminal gang, of course.
The water companies were privatized under Thatcher, for those missing the context.
Note that the waste dumping problems are not all caused by water privatization, either. But as with the comparison to criminals, that's often conflated when people talk about it.
>The story of Furnace Brook could be Britain in microcosm... River pollution has become a national scandal. The release of sewage by privatised water companies – illegal but persistent and apparently unpoliced – has devastated landscapes throughout England.
TL;DR, privatization is the quickest way to turn your nation into a failed state.
You should read TFA. Among it's many unambiguous claims is that the root cause was extensive dumping at Morgans Farm by Robins of Herstmonceux, and that fixing it could be model for how to fix similar problems throughout Britain.
What on earth are you even referring to? Everything written in the article seems relevant. Isn't the claim that this entire lake was killed due to negligent pollution from an upstream farm, and is one of many cases? Isn't the conclusion that these cases are caused by a lack of regulation/enforcement?
Cases like this are exactly why every populist claim of "cost savings through deregulation" should be met with a healthy dose of skepticism, always.
Not only were many environmental regulations "written in blood" (and are well justified by observed damages before they existed), the average citizen would typically gain little from scrapping them. Allowing some industrialized chicken farm to dump their waste into the next river is not gonna make your eggs that much cheaper. "Socialize (external) costs, privatize gains" is often the actual play instead.
The populists are right on this one if only out of dumb luck.
If you wanted to dump shit on the riverbank in 1950 you'd just bribe/threaten officials with discretion or call in a favor from a friend of a friend to get approved.
To do it in 2026 you have to continually pay a bunch of middle men and compliance parties diffusing responsibility far and wide enough in the process that no one party can be held responsible because the lawyering it would take to drag that across the finish line would be more than you could recoup from said party, often helped by statutory limits to liability for all these middle men and compliance parties.
Focusing on the legality or compliance with rules of any one of the myriad of parties listed in the article or whining about the inaction of the enforcement agencies funding level is basically a red herring to rile up the useful idiots to clamor for more of all this. The more you pass rules that drive up cost the more you create room for additional middle men to diffuse responsibility if operating above the table and the more payoff you create for those who are willing to operate below the table.
Garbage disposal one of those areas where the modern regulatory state is an abject failure by anything other than the definitions of success cooked up by the regulatory state peddlers themselves. I don't know what the solution is. The paradigm it replaced was pretty bad too.
You're like 10-15yr behind the UK on this same path.
Landfilling has been intentionally regulated into being non-viable in the UK and in many other places. They simultaneously regulate incineration which sets a high minimum price there (whether this is intentional depends on who you ask). This creates all your economic demand for "if we engage in a complex regulatory compliance scheme we can dump obviously bad but technically compliant from the POV of any one party dirt on a farm for a decade before we get shut down and all walk away pocketing an X% ROI" type crap like in the article comes from.
The northeast US and wide swaths of europe have the same problems too.
It’s not surprising. The people voting for these regulation cuts spend their whole lives in air conditioned boxes (be it their mass built houses, their massive cars, or the office), and their idea of nature is a well manicured golf course. the people they vote on only care about enriching themselves and their corporate donors.
at some point we’ll be living in a dust bowl eating barely nutritious food and people will think “man, how could the liberals have done this to us?”
Not particularly relevant, but do the younger generations these days know about Captain Planet? It's kind of wild that that strong ethos on TV feels missing. Or at least, I have no idea what similar type shows there would be.
I hear problems like this and I think of that Ministry for the Future answer. The strong no, in the most absolute terms.
> Not particularly relevant, but do the younger generations these days know about Captain Planet?
Given they haven't made an episode in more than 30 years, they almost certainly don't.
> It's kind of wild that that strong ethos on TV feels missing. Or at least, I have no idea what similar type shows there would be.
IIRC, Captain Planet was pretty preachy and not actually that fun to watch. But oh my does this article sound like it describes a literal Captain Planet plot, I can just imagine that yellow guy laughing about how he's going to dump toxic waste in a stream.
The one sentence in that long article that identifies the heart of the problem:
"It’s so expensive to dispose of waste legally that many people attempt to do it illegally."
This is one of those things where we just have to collectively bite the bullet and make it easy and cheap to dispose of things properly. Otherwise you get people dumping toxic waste in storm drains, throwing old tires and appliances in ravines, mixing dangerous contaminants into regular trash, or just putting their trash in other people's bins.
Where I am it costs $20 to properly dispose of an old can of paint. It costs about the same to dispose of any electronic item that has a screen. Even regular household garbage has to be put in special bags that cost about $2/each. All of this is a counterincentive to people disposing of their waste properly. And every few years the local waste manangement bureaucracy raises the rates.
Just build it into the base taxes that everyone pays. Make it "free" and easy for people to do the right thing.
The biggest contributors to waste are corporations by many, many orders of magniturde. If you added the tax on these materials at the point of sale then the people who are actually generating this toxic waste would be the ones paying for its (free) disposal.
> Where I am it costs $20 to properly dispose of an old can of paint.
That’s a good way to discourage proper disposal.
Modern latex paints are accepted in normal household garbage in most cities if allowed to dry out first, but oil based paints should be collected at proper locations. It’s actually getting hard to find oil based paints for sale, but you want to encourage people to dispose of them properly. When someone discovers 10 old paints in the basement of an old house it shouldn’t cost $200 to dispose of them.
All of the counties I’ve lived in (USA) long enough to have material to dispose of have provided free hazardous waste collection sites. The only hassle was maybe dealing with the government employee who didn’t want to help you do the mandatory sign-in and the minimal paperwork some required.
My current city also has annual hazardous waste pickup days. They’ll advertise in your neighborhood with flyers explaining what they will collect and where to take it. Very convenient to drop it off locally.
Charging people for small scale disposal is a very bad idea.
> Just build it into the base taxes that everyone pays
You can also put the cost of disposal into the cost of the item at sale. Either through a deposit (like cans/bottles) or just a flat fee/tax.
Then you encourage people to buy less toxic, easier-to-dispose-of alternatives.
That’s exactly what the WEEE directive is in the UK/EU. I ran a company that manufactured and sold an electrical product and we had to pay an amount based on weight sold per quarter from memory. I have no idea if it’s actually used to help with disposal of end of life electrical waste but we paid a decent amount of 8 years of sales.
Exactly - if it's important, make it easy. Our town has an electronics drop-off and the only thing they could do to make it easier is make it open 24hrs, but I understand why it isn't.
Having to take a dead TV 60 miles to pay Best Buy to dispose of it was a non-starter for basically everyone.
Japan is crazy like this, in the countryside it's almost impossible to dispose of things easily. All through the autumn after rice harvest the fields just smell like burning plastic because it's just the easiest / cheapest way to get rid of it all.
Construction waste is also a major issue, insanely difficult to dispose of.
The more you try and "fix" the problem by piling on laws, the more you make it cost, and the more demand you create for illegal or questionably legal dumping and the more payoff you create to make it worth it.
Christ. What a quote. And how depressing it all is. The poor family...
> Eels are pretty hardy, says Alistair; they can even travel over land if they need to. To see them gasping and dying on the banks was heartbreaking. “It was apocalyptic.”
> The results found unusually high levels of heavy metals, ammonia levels that were “well outside acceptable limits for any freshwater life” and nitrogen levels that were “toxic to all aquatic life”.
It's quite a long article that deals with many problems the UK has regarding environmental protection, illegal waste dumping and so on. The lack of care and amount of damage is just shocking.
I really recommend a read.
If you're familiar with aquatic biology and chemistry, the levels of ammonia and nitrogen required to cause harm to fish like this is staggering. These animals have evolved (in many cases, not all) to tolerate some pretty gross conditions. Killing fish this acutely takes incredibly poor conditions. Especially carp.
In Italy this sort of thing is usually run by and/or blamed on the mafia. It's scary to think that the UK can do this to itself without needing the mafia involved.
When you say mafia, I believe you mean organised crime. The UK has loads of it.
What’s the proportion of local crime syndicates having local roots vs Eastern European roots? Is it even or is it lopsided? I really don’t know but have them impression it’s anglos but also lots from other parts of Europe.
There are those in the U.K. who are not beyond equating Thatcherism and the Mafia. It has had long-ranging effects like this for almost 4 decades. The Thatcher government was not truly a criminal gang, of course.
The water companies were privatized under Thatcher, for those missing the context.
Note that the waste dumping problems are not all caused by water privatization, either. But as with the comparison to criminals, that's often conflated when people talk about it.
By you right now apparently?
If I was dumping toxic waste, I'd blame it on the mafia, too.
The privatized water companies were not the ones responsible for the Furnace Brook pollution.
Morgan Farms is burying waste on their property and failing to contain it while the EA (government regulators) are unwilling/unable to stop it.
> In the case of Furnace Brook, the water companies were not to blame.
TFA
It's a long, meandering read never comes close to a clear claim or conclusion.
You should read TFA. Among it's many unambiguous claims is that the root cause was extensive dumping at Morgans Farm by Robins of Herstmonceux, and that fixing it could be model for how to fix similar problems throughout Britain.
Here, let me surmise it for you at your level
"concerning!"
What on earth are you even referring to? Everything written in the article seems relevant. Isn't the claim that this entire lake was killed due to negligent pollution from an upstream farm, and is one of many cases? Isn't the conclusion that these cases are caused by a lack of regulation/enforcement?
Did you even read it? It's a pretty deep dive yes, but it does have some real background and makes clear claims on what is going on.
The burden of proof seems backwards; how about we maintain list of approved safe materials and their threasholds.
Cases like this are exactly why every populist claim of "cost savings through deregulation" should be met with a healthy dose of skepticism, always.
Not only were many environmental regulations "written in blood" (and are well justified by observed damages before they existed), the average citizen would typically gain little from scrapping them. Allowing some industrialized chicken farm to dump their waste into the next river is not gonna make your eggs that much cheaper. "Socialize (external) costs, privatize gains" is often the actual play instead.
> is not gonna make your eggs that much cheaper.
Any. It's not going to make your eggs any cheaper.
The market is already bearing the existing price, so all that saved money is going in an executive's pocket.
The populists are right on this one if only out of dumb luck.
If you wanted to dump shit on the riverbank in 1950 you'd just bribe/threaten officials with discretion or call in a favor from a friend of a friend to get approved.
To do it in 2026 you have to continually pay a bunch of middle men and compliance parties diffusing responsibility far and wide enough in the process that no one party can be held responsible because the lawyering it would take to drag that across the finish line would be more than you could recoup from said party, often helped by statutory limits to liability for all these middle men and compliance parties.
Focusing on the legality or compliance with rules of any one of the myriad of parties listed in the article or whining about the inaction of the enforcement agencies funding level is basically a red herring to rile up the useful idiots to clamor for more of all this. The more you pass rules that drive up cost the more you create room for additional middle men to diffuse responsibility if operating above the table and the more payoff you create for those who are willing to operate below the table.
Garbage disposal one of those areas where the modern regulatory state is an abject failure by anything other than the definitions of success cooked up by the regulatory state peddlers themselves. I don't know what the solution is. The paradigm it replaced was pretty bad too.
Respectfully, what a load of shit?
In Australia all the regulations exist and the waste management is top notch, insanely easily and fairly cheap.
The solution is electing a decent government.
You're like 10-15yr behind the UK on this same path.
Landfilling has been intentionally regulated into being non-viable in the UK and in many other places. They simultaneously regulate incineration which sets a high minimum price there (whether this is intentional depends on who you ask). This creates all your economic demand for "if we engage in a complex regulatory compliance scheme we can dump obviously bad but technically compliant from the POV of any one party dirt on a farm for a decade before we get shut down and all walk away pocketing an X% ROI" type crap like in the article comes from.
The northeast US and wide swaths of europe have the same problems too.
Also in the toxic sludge lake department, a mini documentary on Geamăna, Romania:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIR8vd-bi8I
It’s not surprising. The people voting for these regulation cuts spend their whole lives in air conditioned boxes (be it their mass built houses, their massive cars, or the office), and their idea of nature is a well manicured golf course. the people they vote on only care about enriching themselves and their corporate donors.
at some point we’ll be living in a dust bowl eating barely nutritious food and people will think “man, how could the liberals have done this to us?”
Not particularly relevant, but do the younger generations these days know about Captain Planet? It's kind of wild that that strong ethos on TV feels missing. Or at least, I have no idea what similar type shows there would be.
I hear problems like this and I think of that Ministry for the Future answer. The strong no, in the most absolute terms.
> Not particularly relevant, but do the younger generations these days know about Captain Planet?
Given they haven't made an episode in more than 30 years, they almost certainly don't.
> It's kind of wild that that strong ethos on TV feels missing. Or at least, I have no idea what similar type shows there would be.
IIRC, Captain Planet was pretty preachy and not actually that fun to watch. But oh my does this article sound like it describes a literal Captain Planet plot, I can just imagine that yellow guy laughing about how he's going to dump toxic waste in a stream.