If space doesn't work or is deemed too expensive put them right next to the house where the CEO of the company and his family live. Same with nuclear plants, rocket launch sites and chemical plants.
While that "solution" is, er, not strictly impossible, it still falls into the subcategory of "utterly insane", once one looks at the real tonnages and watts and dollars and engineering problems.
It was never a serious proposal, it's just some zillionaire's daydream about having their own Neuromancer-style space-station, a place where their word is law and their dynasty assured by a pet superintelligence.
The only "data-center in space" we're likely to see will be tiny low-power satellites, offering themselves as extraterritorial hosting for stuff like an oligarch's ill-gotten crypto-currency.
There’s already datacenters in space though. Does starlink not count as a datacenter? What, their nodes are too small by modern standards? It is still a networked array of compute nodes, in space, currently operating.
Find this quite funny overall. In the end Loudoun and Santa Clara get cheap power and lower property taxes than otherwise because they host so many datacenters. It’s pretty good that local policy leads to such good outcomes for people. Huge fan of this structure.
The policy-outcome feedback loop should be tight. People rapidly adapt when that happens.
Fortunately site selection is still possible and construction teams are still well occupied. America’s fortunate to enter a period with such clean industry. Dropping the ball here would have been so foolish.
Data centers are only going up near populations because the DCs want the community to pay for all the infrastructure upgrades and higher rates.
If the DCs had to go it alone, wait who are we kidding? They never even thought of that path, it's all about how to push the costs on to locals. They want all the freebies they can get.
Depends on the datacenter. If SpaceX etc weren't intent on cutting corners with illegal natural gas generators and trying to trick locals there wouldn't be any push back. Its not like we started building these things in the last couple of years. I've been to plenty of data centers that no one even knew were data centers because they weren't the size of Manhattan and spewing out tons of noise pollution.
People aren't "Republicans" or "Democrats" or whatever. They're people. Of course "Republican support" collapses in communities once you start asking people what they want.
You would wish but it's way too prevalent to call oneself "Republican" or "Democrat" and promise lifetime loyalty. Take almost anything they are mad about when the "other" side does it and ask how they'd feel if "their" side did it.
The comment makes perfect sense, especially given the current political climate of the US and what Republicans are clearly indicating they want... Not sure what you are on about.
The title is extremely misleading. Local support collapses almost identically regardless of party affiliation.
This is more indicative of the general NIMBY effect.
One solution is to put them in space, leaving more room and resources for humans and wildlife.
If space doesn't work or is deemed too expensive put them right next to the house where the CEO of the company and his family live. Same with nuclear plants, rocket launch sites and chemical plants.
Why don't we just put them where the people who want them live?
As soon as we figure out how to build a practical and cost effective way to radiate megawatts of heat in a vacuum I'm sure we will!
Gigawatts
While that "solution" is, er, not strictly impossible, it still falls into the subcategory of "utterly insane", once one looks at the real tonnages and watts and dollars and engineering problems.
It was never a serious proposal, it's just some zillionaire's daydream about having their own Neuromancer-style space-station, a place where their word is law and their dynasty assured by a pet superintelligence.
The only "data-center in space" we're likely to see will be tiny low-power satellites, offering themselves as extraterritorial hosting for stuff like an oligarch's ill-gotten crypto-currency.
this is the way!
one of the biggest threats to AI accelerationism longterm is the public rioting or foreign governments launching attacks against data centers
the plebians won't be able to burn the data centers if you put them in space though.
Heat radiation by convection doesn't work great in a vacuum.
And yet no proof-of-concept has been attempted. Just another Elon saying at this point.
There’s already datacenters in space though. Does starlink not count as a datacenter? What, their nodes are too small by modern standards? It is still a networked array of compute nodes, in space, currently operating.
No, a satellite is not a datacenter. The suffix is center. Example: A WAN is not a datacenter, it is a network.
"Our researchers were so busy working out whether they could, noone stopped to wonder whether they should"
Another solution is to pray to the sun god for the wisdom of the universe.
BTW this data is drawn from a US map of the entire US data center built-out, county by county:
https://pressaudit.org/blog/datacenters
Find this quite funny overall. In the end Loudoun and Santa Clara get cheap power and lower property taxes than otherwise because they host so many datacenters. It’s pretty good that local policy leads to such good outcomes for people. Huge fan of this structure.
The policy-outcome feedback loop should be tight. People rapidly adapt when that happens.
Fortunately site selection is still possible and construction teams are still well occupied. America’s fortunate to enter a period with such clean industry. Dropping the ball here would have been so foolish.
what are the pros and cons of having a data center in your county? and does it actually change residents day to day lives in any noticeable way?
Data centers are only going up near populations because the DCs want the community to pay for all the infrastructure upgrades and higher rates.
If the DCs had to go it alone, wait who are we kidding? They never even thought of that path, it's all about how to push the costs on to locals. They want all the freebies they can get.
They bring nothing to the table
Depends on the datacenter. If SpaceX etc weren't intent on cutting corners with illegal natural gas generators and trying to trick locals there wouldn't be any push back. Its not like we started building these things in the last couple of years. I've been to plenty of data centers that no one even knew were data centers because they weren't the size of Manhattan and spewing out tons of noise pollution.
People aren't "Republicans" or "Democrats" or whatever. They're people. Of course "Republican support" collapses in communities once you start asking people what they want.
[EDIT: damn. y'all in the comments. whoosh]
"People aren't "Republicans" or "Democrats" "
You would wish but it's way too prevalent to call oneself "Republican" or "Democrat" and promise lifetime loyalty. Take almost anything they are mad about when the "other" side does it and ask how they'd feel if "their" side did it.
> it's way too prevalent to call oneself "Republican" or "Democrat" and promise lifetime loyalty.
Where?!? I have travelled all over the USA and I have never a met a person like this.
Coastal elites (in the USA) will gladly do this and let you know about it even if you never ask (like vegans).
I have some friend circles where upwards of 50% people do this.
To be fair it is far less prevalent outside of the US thank god.
Careful about not believing people when they tell you what they are.
Your statement literally means nothing. It's not even making an argument.
The comment makes perfect sense, especially given the current political climate of the US and what Republicans are clearly indicating they want... Not sure what you are on about.
People who get lumped into broad categories don’t all agree on all matters.
You’re rejecting people who self identified as Republicans for not being Republicans.
You can reject the category of Republicans in all situations or zero situations but doing so only some of the time is not a defensible position.
With respect it's also possible you are not as literate as you want to believe
Don't disregard what people tell you they will do because they are "just people"
Project 2025 been admitting their goals for years but they're just people they would never, right?
only politicians are delusional enough to think people will support datacenters in their county
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