Hearsay from a single person about being denied a Barclays account for who knows what reason (banks never give a reason, to stop you from re-applying and getting round their KYC rules). From a suspect publication I've never heard of and very little info on the internet, linking to another 'Originally Published In' similar unheard of with little info publication. Submitted by OP with little post history and only from this site?
I'd take this article with a large pinch of salt.
If the US and China were secretly conspiring to sabotage Europe it would look indistinguishable from the EU SFDR and other EU "ESG accountability" acts.
The SFDR and similar EU regulations were originally designed to tackle greenwashing, but has now made it almost impossible to raise money for nuclear, aerospace, and defense startups and ventures in the EU (and by network effects also in the UK).
Since 2025/2026 the EU has promised to find ways ease up these regulations because of the war in Ukraine.
Yesterday in the news there was a picture of a known ISIS terrorist being funded by the state shopping in Windsor while SAS members were being chased in court for spurious charges.
Something is really, really wrong in Europe. There will be books written about this in the future.
We live in times. There is always something: just in Europe, in the 50s and 60s we had the Cold War (and on the other side of the Iron Curtain, outright invasions); in the 70s we had terrorism and economic shocks; in the '80s we had Libya, Lebanon, heroin, AIDS, Chernobyl; in the '90s we had genocide in Yugoslavia, big market crashes and sovereign debt crisis, the war in Kuwait; in the '00s we had 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq; you can go on and on...
The reality is that, as long as we don't start firing nukes, we'll all be alright in the end.
On the contrary during every decade above there were regions in Europe with prosperity, driving premium German cars, and benefiting from cheap workforce and "entertainment" services from impacted other European regions. Some remained prosperous through all of these decades.
The idea that "a known ISIS terrorist" could roam the UK without US consent is rather amusing. But yes, something is really, really wrong in Europe. /s
This is a well known issue in Europe. Companies operating in the defense industry, even well established ones, can not access regular banking services. This issue affects even countries where ESG is not considered a priority, such as Czechia, because only branches of international banks operate here.
In many cases banks decide the account is not worth the hastle of regulation and compliance. In some countries US citizens have difficulty getting an account due to US regulations being more hassle than worth.
Indeed i personally know the guy who tried to open a bank account in Cyprus on his US passport and after many attempts was denied; he ended up opening an account on his Russian passport easily.
IANAL but AFAIK no matter which other passports do you have if you are an US person (a citizen or a tax resident) you must notify you bank in any country to comply with the US laws (but having another passport makes it possible to hide that one is an US person).
I know there's similar regulatory hurdles in the Netherlands. Up 'till recently it made some amount of sense not to finance defense, presumably because a lot of it would almost certainly end up in funny places. Not so much anymore of course.
This shows that ESG needs updating. Investing in arms manufacturers is no longer just code for "support the bombing of brown people to enrich the MIC", it can also mean "ensure sovereignty and defend democracies against a hostile, desperate dictator" - treating the two as equivalent, and both as immoral, is outdated.
Violating the E (Environment) should lead to fines to make up for environmental clean up. If severe enough there should be prison time for the responsible higher ups.
Drop the S and G. There are existing laws to for most of these.
Governments can use weapons embargoes to stop their defense contractors from selling to specific countries.
The problem is that it's not a binary choice, and the current situation in Israel is making it extremely difficult for regular institutions to work with defence businesses without avoiding damaging associations in public perception.
OTOH, arms are arms, and when the Ukraine war will (hopefully, someday) be over, the startups that are springing up now, some of which will become established companies by then, will start looking for new markets for their (defensive and offensive) arms developed and tested in Ukraine.
I've anecdotally heard that, as a reaction to that kind of issue, they've shifted all the way towards the other end of the spectrum. But who knows if it's actually true at all levels.
> Successive UK governments have made the case for more and better defence spending, encouraging British start-ups to invest in this fast-growing ...sector.
War, invasions, occupations - it's a growth business apparently. The UK government approves.
Hearsay from a single person about being denied a Barclays account for who knows what reason (banks never give a reason, to stop you from re-applying and getting round their KYC rules). From a suspect publication I've never heard of and very little info on the internet, linking to another 'Originally Published In' similar unheard of with little info publication. Submitted by OP with little post history and only from this site? I'd take this article with a large pinch of salt.
Not only that - everything from this website seems to be posted in the past 3 months by 3 different accounts.
AI misinformation and slop - should be moderated and not top of HN
Another link to the same article: https://thesentinel.eu/article/b3sglnx6amob8mq73vm1u1jk/uk-d...
1:1 copy
Tech bros can be real whiners when denied unfettered access to our savings.
If the US and China were secretly conspiring to sabotage Europe it would look indistinguishable from the EU SFDR and other EU "ESG accountability" acts.
The SFDR and similar EU regulations were originally designed to tackle greenwashing, but has now made it almost impossible to raise money for nuclear, aerospace, and defense startups and ventures in the EU (and by network effects also in the UK).
Since 2025/2026 the EU has promised to find ways ease up these regulations because of the war in Ukraine.
Yesterday in the news there was a picture of a known ISIS terrorist being funded by the state shopping in Windsor while SAS members were being chased in court for spurious charges.
Something is really, really wrong in Europe. There will be books written about this in the future.
There's already books... Gad Saad's 'Suicidal Empathy' is one.
Books have already been written on this, some as early as 1945 (That Hideous Strength, C.S. Lewis).
Otherwise I can recommend basically everything by Curtis Yarvin and Kevin Dolan (https://substack.com/@exitgroup, https://substack.com/@exitgroup).
There is a wide and rich ocean of deep thought and historical knowledge in that corner, for those curious and open-minded enough.
> Something is really, really wrong in Europe. There will be books written about this in the future.
Replace Europe with the US and the statement holds just as well. Or China or why not Russia.
We live in bad times.
We live in times. There is always something: just in Europe, in the 50s and 60s we had the Cold War (and on the other side of the Iron Curtain, outright invasions); in the 70s we had terrorism and economic shocks; in the '80s we had Libya, Lebanon, heroin, AIDS, Chernobyl; in the '90s we had genocide in Yugoslavia, big market crashes and sovereign debt crisis, the war in Kuwait; in the '00s we had 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq; you can go on and on...
The reality is that, as long as we don't start firing nukes, we'll all be alright in the end.
On the contrary during every decade above there were regions in Europe with prosperity, driving premium German cars, and benefiting from cheap workforce and "entertainment" services from impacted other European regions. Some remained prosperous through all of these decades.
The idea that "a known ISIS terrorist" could roam the UK without US consent is rather amusing. But yes, something is really, really wrong in Europe. /s
This is a well known issue in Europe. Companies operating in the defense industry, even well established ones, can not access regular banking services. This issue affects even countries where ESG is not considered a priority, such as Czechia, because only branches of international banks operate here.
This isn’t just UK. Large portion of banks in US won’t work with weapons companies. It’s not law, it’s preference from their compliance groups.
In many cases banks decide the account is not worth the hastle of regulation and compliance. In some countries US citizens have difficulty getting an account due to US regulations being more hassle than worth.
Indeed i personally know the guy who tried to open a bank account in Cyprus on his US passport and after many attempts was denied; he ended up opening an account on his Russian passport easily.
IANAL but AFAIK no matter which other passports do you have if you are an US person (a citizen or a tax resident) you must notify you bank in any country to comply with the US laws (but having another passport makes it possible to hide that one is an US person).
Which means he lied on application, because every European bank asks if you are a citizen of US.
> when defence spending was naïvely thought to be immoral.
Glad that's been settled!
I know there's similar regulatory hurdles in the Netherlands. Up 'till recently it made some amount of sense not to finance defense, presumably because a lot of it would almost certainly end up in funny places. Not so much anymore of course.
This shows that ESG needs updating. Investing in arms manufacturers is no longer just code for "support the bombing of brown people to enrich the MIC", it can also mean "ensure sovereignty and defend democracies against a hostile, desperate dictator" - treating the two as equivalent, and both as immoral, is outdated.
There shouldn't be any ESG.
Violating the E (Environment) should lead to fines to make up for environmental clean up. If severe enough there should be prison time for the responsible higher ups.
Drop the S and G. There are existing laws to for most of these.
Governments can use weapons embargoes to stop their defense contractors from selling to specific countries.
The problem is that it's not a binary choice, and the current situation in Israel is making it extremely difficult for regular institutions to work with defence businesses without avoiding damaging associations in public perception.
OTOH, arms are arms, and when the Ukraine war will (hopefully, someday) be over, the startups that are springing up now, some of which will become established companies by then, will start looking for new markets for their (defensive and offensive) arms developed and tested in Ukraine.
cough, cough, USDC
Probably a blessing not having an account with Barclays. Try Allica.
Hilarious! A bit of Monty Python-alike logic too ;)
Poor guy, no banks taking his blood money.
what a symbolic post about how authoritarian this stuff has become
> a British start-up focused on surveillance
Good for the British people then, and kudos to ESG. As if the UK doesn't have enough surveillance as it is.
I wonder if UK banks have also fired BAE Systems?
This has been a thing almost as long as I can remember. What's new here?
The _adversaries_ once again having a good laugh.
Try NatWest
HSBC are known for their ... flexible application of the rules: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20673466
I've anecdotally heard that, as a reaction to that kind of issue, they've shifted all the way towards the other end of the spectrum. But who knows if it's actually true at all levels.
Honestly I live in the UK and I literally don't understand how anyone with a sliver of conscience can have an account with HSBC.
FUD.
This has nothing to do with tech, and is also boring. ESG rules preclude military startups? As they're intended to do?
What's next, tobacco company bemoans anti-smoking ad restrictions?
> Successive UK governments have made the case for more and better defence spending, encouraging British start-ups to invest in this fast-growing ...sector.
War, invasions, occupations - it's a growth business apparently. The UK government approves.
Well, it was called the "British Empire" up til recently (or still is, according to Mark Curtis)...
Its nothing new. The UK aren't known for supporting real innovation.